Can a person leave hell and go to Heaven?
Is There Salvation Without Mary?
Is she the mother of our Salvation?
Is There Salvation Without Mary?
Is she the mother of our Salvation?
Can a person leave hell and go to Heaven? Is There Salvation Without Mary? Is she the mother of our Salvation?
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I would really like to see the OP answer his own question (which he undoubtedly will) without quoting anything from JSM or Pastor Curtis.
Can a person leave hell and go to heaven? No. Once you get taken out of Hades and judged by your deeds and are found without your name in the book of life you are sentenced to hell and destroyed.
Mary plays no role personally on someone’s salvation.
Is Mary the mother of our salvation? As in is she the mother of Jesus? If so then yes shave conceived a child through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Mary plays no role personally on someone’s salvation.
Is Mary the mother of our salvation? As in is she the mother of Jesus? If so then yes shave conceived a child through the power of the Holy Spirit.
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Some do, but some don't so it wouldn't be accurate to attribute this belief to anyone who claims to be catholic. There's a lot of flavors of Catholicism, many of which are home-brewed through family tradition. It's usually best to ask people what they believe instead of assuming their beliefs based on their "label".
Most as in within a particular geographic location? Worldwide? Personal experience? At least over 50%? A source would be useful here.
All salvation is without Mary, No salvation in mary
The answer to the first is certainly not. Historically Rome has rejected universalism. Modern clergy seem to hold to some form. Of universalism.
The answer to the second and third depends on what is meant. If you mean that Mary has any power or active role in salvation then absolutely not. But if we think carefully the answer is a bit more complicated. As an orthodox Christian I affirm the doctrine of the incarnation and the our Lord is 100% full God and 100% fully Man in the Hypostatic union. Recall the ancient church referred to Mary as Theotokos meaning God Bearer. The term was not meant as a term of reverence of Mary as it used today but rather it was used as a Christological term used as a defense against Nestorianism which held that the Human and Divine Natures were also separate persons. Which is not orthodox Trinitarian belief. Cf the Definition of Chalcedon and the Athanasian Creed not to mention the plain meaning of Scripture In numerous places.
So if we hold to what the scriptures say along with the witness of the Early church we can affirm that in a sense Salvation did in fact come by the means of Mary but not through any decision or power of Mary as modern Roman Catholics assert.
The answer to the second and third depends on what is meant. If you mean that Mary has any power or active role in salvation then absolutely not. But if we think carefully the answer is a bit more complicated. As an orthodox Christian I affirm the doctrine of the incarnation and the our Lord is 100% full God and 100% fully Man in the Hypostatic union. Recall the ancient church referred to Mary as Theotokos meaning God Bearer. The term was not meant as a term of reverence of Mary as it used today but rather it was used as a Christological term used as a defense against Nestorianism which held that the Human and Divine Natures were also separate persons. Which is not orthodox Trinitarian belief. Cf the Definition of Chalcedon and the Athanasian Creed not to mention the plain meaning of Scripture In numerous places.
So if we hold to what the scriptures say along with the witness of the Early church we can affirm that in a sense Salvation did in fact come by the means of Mary but not through any decision or power of Mary as modern Roman Catholics assert.
Its not will we leave hell "the sufferings we daily experience in bodies condemned to death" strengthened by our daily bread. Being yoked with Christ the sufferings load is made lighter.
No condemnation for those who have Christ working in them..
Its appointed all men to die under the letter of the law death (ONCE) .
The question to the Catholic is. Will mankind remain alive even after the breathing stops and therefore a unknown measure of time to suffer to works to add to their previous work of suffering . If so How long will they suffer.?
In that way neither the amount of grace or length of sufferings is not revealed. Men are left wondering ?????.The opposite of faith. (Believing.) No anchor to their wandering souls .
We must be careful on how we hear the understanding of our new faith, and who we accredit the work of faith to.
It should not leave us wondering. Faith is believing.
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Wondering wanderers.
Hebrews 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
There law of the fathers (the Catholic bible CCC) reveal's only this entity they must call Mary received the fulness of grace. Everyone else . Who knows and who cares.. . .It becomes one of the many lying wonder of the god of this world that our unseen father sends a strong delusion needed to continue to believe the lie.
No condemnation for those who have Christ working in them..
Its appointed all men to die under the letter of the law death (ONCE) .
The question to the Catholic is. Will mankind remain alive even after the breathing stops and therefore a unknown measure of time to suffer to works to add to their previous work of suffering . If so How long will they suffer.?
In that way neither the amount of grace or length of sufferings is not revealed. Men are left wondering ?????.The opposite of faith. (Believing.) No anchor to their wandering souls .
We must be careful on how we hear the understanding of our new faith, and who we accredit the work of faith to.
It should not leave us wondering. Faith is believing.
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Wondering wanderers.
Hebrews 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
There law of the fathers (the Catholic bible CCC) reveal's only this entity they must call Mary received the fulness of grace. Everyone else . Who knows and who cares.. . .It becomes one of the many lying wonder of the god of this world that our unseen father sends a strong delusion needed to continue to believe the lie.