Can be gay and a Christian?
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Hello Embankment and all involved! There is only one sin that is unforgivable, which is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, which is not any and every sin. When Jesus was driving out demons, the Pharisees and teachers of the law said that He was driving them out by the prince of demons, Beelzebub, i.e. Satan. Since Jesus was driving out demons by the Holy Spirit, they were calling the Holy Spirit evil. That and only that is blaspheme against the Spirit. Therefore, in order for someone to commit blaspheme against the Spirit, they would have to claim the same thing that the Pharisees and teachers of the Law did. It is not a sin that one can commit by accident.
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Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed the man so that he could speak and see. 23The crowds were all amazed and asked, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “Only by Beelzebul, the prince of the demons, does this man drive out demons.”
25Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29How can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.
30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.
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UnderGrace
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I think not.
to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified (perfect passive participle) by faith in Me.'
Acts 26:18
ηγιασμενοις verb - perfect passive participle - dative plural masculine
hagiazo hag-ee-ad'-zo: to make holy, i.e. (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate -- hallow, be holy, sanctify.
The perfect passive participle shows a completed action
A participle is the adjective form of the verb.
We have postional sanctification (set apart), we learn to live out this positional sanctification.
Everyone is entitled to thier opinion..we'll just have to agree to disagree
but..your last sentence "learn to live" implies ongoing..a "process"..not complete..
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UnderGrace
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Here let me give the rundown according to what is out there in research land.
There is no gay gene although they keep trying.
While some studies reported possible hormonal differences affecting homosexual orientation. However, these studies were often directly contradictory, and never actually measured any hormone levels, but just used proxies for hormonal influences, without direct evidence that the proxies were actually indicative of true hormone levels or imbalances.
Now twin studies are very interesting, they showed that there may be a genetic influences (not an actual gene) for homosexuality, although similar studies have shown some genetic influences for homophobia and even opposition to abortion which then caused the whole genetic premise to be questioned.
This is what Jesus tells us about sin.....
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/John/8/34
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
John 8:34
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UnderGrace
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Everyone is entitled to thier opinion..we'll just have to agree to disagree
The process is not the sanctification, the process is living in what is already true. See the difference.
So in a sense I do agree with you in part, people fail because they are not living in their new nature but in the old. The question is how long does God leave that person not living who they are if they are truly born again.
I can tell you one thing God will deal with one of His own if that person goes back to the mire of their former sin.
However, on a human level, I think the church body has to deal with this person too, and not excuse the sin or turn a blind eye to it.
People are too accepting of this idea that we are still in bondage to sin and serious failure, Jesus is more than able to give victory but one must avail themselves to it consistently.
The consequences of willful sin is always serious in many ways and the seriousness of it must always be maintained I am not talking about laying on shame or guilt but the love that returns a brother or sister to the victorious walk.
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mtothethirdpwer
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Well, yes. That is like asking can a sinner be saved....
Can Christian not be convicted of sin? Then STOP SINNING?
This is the real question....
HI again, UnderGrace. Your points are valid. What came to mind, particularly about 'slavery to sin', is that GENETICS is not the source of BEHAVIOUR. This was the huge disappointment of the Human Genome Project; the mapping of human genes. SIN is behaviour, by commission or omission. Genes are protein structures, some of which code for protein production. The purpose of the rest of ones' genes is speculated to result in physical features and physical attributes. No genetic connection to behaviour can be observed, only to physical structures.
(The dark side of our genetic understanding, I think, is our recently perfected ability to alter genetic structures. Very major potential for damage, and some hope for health-producing applications.)
The question becomes, 'What is the source of our sinful behaviour', because it is certainly not genetic. Science generally does not acknowledge our spiritual essence. (The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing)
The only power to overcome sinful behaviour of any sort is the power given by Jesus, who broke the power of sin and death by His perfect sacrifice.
That is an interesting question. I am not suggesting you think what I am about to say, the question is somewhat incomplete or asked on a false understanding of two things.
1. can a person who is a Christian having the Holy Spirit in them be bound by a sexual addiction and not have total victory over it?
2. when a Christian miss the mark "sin" do they repent and keep doing the same sin over and over again and that be called repentance?
Hebrews 10: 26 and Rom chapter 6 comes to mind
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UnderGrace
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The source is our flesh.
I can tell you one thing, sin definitely affects our brain over time.
Let's say God is creator of all things for his glory and according to his will.
OK, we're there? Letting us picture that for the moment?
OK.
Did God create those who are the antithesis of heterosexual soley, souly so he , in his omniscient authorative state, send them to the Hell he opened to receive our fallen unrepentant souls? When at first he, who does not change, created that place of suffering for Ha~Satan and his follower's, the fallen angels, angli- "emissary", ? THINK about it.
Something I saw on a holiness bumper sticker that is very valid today. THINK about what U believe.
Was it Constantine? That led you?
Or is it the Chist?
OK, we're there? Letting us picture that for the moment?
OK.
Did God create those who are the antithesis of heterosexual soley, souly so he , in his omniscient authorative state, send them to the Hell he opened to receive our fallen unrepentant souls? When at first he, who does not change, created that place of suffering for Ha~Satan and his follower's, the fallen angels, angli- "emissary", ? THINK about it.
Something I saw on a holiness bumper sticker that is very valid today. THINK about what U believe.
Was it Constantine? That led you?
Or is it the Chist?
anyone who has received and been taught and enlightened by The Holy Spirit
knows without a doubt that The Light cannot exist with 'the darkness',
as it is written:
'They that do such things shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of God'...
1COR. 6:9-10.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
knows without a doubt that The Light cannot exist with 'the darkness',
as it is written:
'They that do such things shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of God'...
1COR. 6:9-10.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Sorry darlin'. missed your point on that.
We are given choice. We make sinful choices in the flesh. We all have done that. Jesus took our blame and punishment. Thank you Jesus. The Divine will is that none should perish, but all would come to repentance. His will be done!!
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OH MY WORD..I GET IT NOW..lol. Had a different mindset from the other thread i was in..took me a minute to "adjust"..lol
Lol n i even get you .=heart (image) lol they dont have that as an emoji..lol
