I been around for a while, from your post I would think you have not been.
Can Catholics be saved?
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What are you basing these two allegations on as proof of your accusations? List references you have re the murdering of millions and proof they're satanic.
I'm not sure if I quite understand your question friend.
Feel free to explain the last couple sentences.
I just want to make sure we know that a church doesn't save us, but some churches have the right gospel of Heaven and others teach a false gospel.
I'm not picking on Catholicism, but you mentioned that specifically and I'm familiar with the teachings. I love my Catholic relatives and the others who left that church. I believe a Catholic can get saved, but it's not by a Catholic OR a protestant way. There are protestant, Baptist and Evangelical non-denominational churches who also teach works to be saved. My next short example is a Baptist in a Catholic Church teaching what they believe about "repentance from sins," which is a work. Funny thing is that lots of protestants teach this as required for salvation as do the Mormons and the Muslims.
However the Bible teaches that It's Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us.".
Titus 3:5
"For by grace are you saved through faith, and that, Not if yourselves. It is the gift of God, Not of works lest any man should boast."
Ephesians 2
That's actually GOOD news because nobody turns from all of their sins or obeys all of God's commands every day. What the Lord offers is kind mercy based completely upon what Jesus did for us on the cross.
He suffered so that we don't have to suffer in Hell.
He arose the third day so that we can receive His free gift of everlasting life.
He did the hard part.
Our part is easy, it's effortless.
John 3:16...
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Believe is not just knowing that Jesus exists. It is placing your trust in Him alone. When we realize that we would end up in Hell by trusting our own works or church or turning from all sins, and decide to trust Him instead, we are given the gift of life that you can never lose.
Romans 10 says,
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
Here's the rest that accidentally got cut off from my last post.
I'm not sure if I quite understand your question friend.
Feel free to explain the last couple sentences.
I just want to make sure we know that a church doesn't save us, but some churches have the right gospel of Heaven and others teach a false gospel.
I'm not picking on Catholicism, but you mentioned that specifically and I'm familiar with the teachings. I love my Catholic relatives and the others who left that church. I believe a Catholic can get saved, but it's not by a Catholic OR a protestant way. There are protestant, Baptist and Evangelical non-denominational churches who also teach works to be saved. My next short example is a Baptist in a Catholic Church teaching what they believe about "repentance from sins," which is a work. Funny thing is that lots of protestants teach this as required for salvation as do the Mormons and the Muslims.
However the Bible teaches that It's Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us.".
Titus 3:5
"For by grace are you saved through faith, and that, Not if yourselves. It is the gift of God, Not of works lest any man should boast."
Ephesians 2
That's actually GOOD news because nobody turns from all of their sins or obeys all of God's commands every day. What the Lord offers is kind mercy based completely upon what Jesus did for us on the cross.
He suffered so that we don't have to suffer in Hell.
He arose the third day so that we can receive His free gift of everlasting life.
He did the hard part.
Our part is easy, it's effortless.
John 3:16...
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Believe is not just knowing that Jesus exists. It is placing your trust in Him alone. When we realize that we would end up in Hell by trusting our own works or church or turning from all sins, and decide to trust Him instead, we are given the gift of life that you can never lose.
Romans 10 says,
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
Do you understand what the Bible says, that we all have sinned and need to be saved.
Also, that we cannot get to Heaven by trusting in our works?
Lastly, Jesus Christ was the holy sinless sacrifice that was approved by the Father to pay for sins , was buried and arose back to life the third day?
Our part is to trust Him to keep His promises to save us and take us to Heaven when we die. Just simply ask Him for that gift in faith, then you receive the promise of everlasting life.
Does that make sense my friend?
If so, I want to make it easy for you by leading you in prayer.
Dear Jesus,
I know that I've sinned against You and realize there are no works that I can do to make things right. You paid for all of my sins, was tortured, crucified and died for me. After 3 days You took back your life and live forevermore. Please give me that gift You paid for according to Your promises. I trust You alone to save me and take me to Heaven when I die. Thank you very much Jesus!
Amen
If we are counting the number of humans killed in the name of religion, we need to include the millions killed by Protestants.
Actually, a lot closer than many people want to admit. The biggest difference is in how long they have had to do their murders.
that's not what Jesus taught. millions of catholics can profess that they left the catholic belief & wisely became born again Christians. catholics are world famous for inventing their own doctrines. like the hail mary prayer which never once was heard by anything or anyone. God never gave Mary, the mother of Jesus, the power, ability or authority to hear a prayer & grant an answer. study & learn these verses: Hebrews 1:1,2, 7:25, 8:10, 9:15, 12:24, Colossians 1:19, 3:17 1st Corinthians 8:6, 10:31, Ephesians 1:22,23, & especially, 1st Timothy 2:5. catholics also confess their sins to a man for forgiveness. that also never was successful. tell your grandma what i'm telling you. spread the word, in fact, that catholicism is incorrect containing a lot of false teachings. too, learn Proverbs 30:6: "ADD THOU NOT UNTO HIS WORDS LEST HE REPROVE THEE & THOU BE FOUND A LIAR"! finally, learn John 3:5: verily verily, i say unto thee, EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF THE WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, HE CAN NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD"!!!
Good point, "Haikl Mary full of grace, the Lord is with you" does not sound anything like Luke 1:28 and "Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb" does not sound anything like Luke 1:42. Want to try again?
Might I point out that the Protestants accepted the Hail Mary as a legitimate prayer until they became rabidly anti-Catholic well after the reformation. Lutherans still officially recognize Mary as worthy of praise.
show me in the Bible where the hail mary prayer is. no, don't bother, it's not in there. there h.m. prayer is man-made. didn't you read Proverbs 30:6? add to that, 2nd Timothy 3:16 & 17 & 2nd Peter 1:20 & 21. you are talking about men's traditions & men accepting man's traditions. Jesus taught us how to pray in Matthew 6:9-13- "our father, who art in heaven.........". billions of people on earth are accepting false teachings & false religions, it's nothing new. there is not a single verse in the Bible teaching to pray to mary or any other person not in the trinity.
You seem to be missing a point, where in the Bible does it say one should not quote scripture? And as for adding things that are not in the Bible, the Protestants do that as much as anyone else. The "clear" statements about the Trinity are added text, not in the original manuscripts or they are interpretation, not clear statements.
Galatians 1:6-9
New International Version
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
New International Version
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
The goal of any Christian church should be to bring souls to God for salvation from sin. Some do this better than others.
In fact, some churches seem to fit some people, while other churches seem to fit others.
Personally, I like the churches that stress the one to one relatoinship between the sinner and Jesus Christ.
And I tend to not like the churches that stress an intermediary, other than Jesus Christ, between the sinner and God.
So the Catholic Church fails to measure up in this regard.
There are several other reasons for my position against the Catholic Church that I will not go into here.
However, X, if you feel that this church helps you draw closer to God, then go for it.
The major problem is that this church will promote the mark of the beast as outlined in Rev. 13:15-17. So if you do join this church, then more power to you, but guard against taking the mark when it comes on the world stage.
I think the Catholic traditions are wise in many aspects (e.g. pro-life, pro-children, pro-works), but their official faith involves dangerous heresies, that preclude one from being a Christian, such as:
Worship or Mary or other saints
Belief that salvation is by Christ plus works (including attending a Catholic church)
Attributing to priests and the pope the authority of God
Holding such beliefs is not evidence of saving faith in Christ.
i didn't say anything about not quoting scripture. we are only to study God's word without man's additions to the Bible or man's traditions period.
Some people like those things. Having someone else as an arbitrator to God. And not someone in the spirit, but in the flesh. I suppose it is easier to rely upon another person than God in spirit. Which, by the way, is what the Savior calls himself in Rev. 2-3. For example,
1:7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Some people like to pray to Mary the mother of Jesus. I personally do not get it, but to each his own.
And the works thing is a common doctrine among many churches, although it is false doctrine, and we agree.
So to be clear, there is only one God to whom we are to pray, as explained by Jesus Christ (Matt. 6:9). He did not say, Oh, by the way, also pray to my mother. That doctrine is so silly, and devilish clever. Which Pope came up with that?
Very good, so what is "THE lie" that is referenced in Romans 1:25, you know, where most Bibles ignore the definite article that appears in the Greek because it is problematic and instead say just, "A lie". That is a widespread human change to God's scripture practiced by both Catholics and Protestants. And that does not touch on how human traditions also tend to abuse 1 Timothy 3:16 or several other passages where certainty over what is being said is known, but many confidently assert that theirs is the proper interpretation.
The question that I posed to AI is, "Which Pope came up with the doctrine to pray to Mary."
The AI answer:
"While no specific pope originated the concept, several popes formalized its theological framework through the centuries: [1, 2]
That is so funny. That anyone would think Jesus' mother Mary could intercede and present prayers to God on our behalf. What planet did I wake up on? Wow! Of all the asinine doctrines that I have ever heard, this one takes the cake.
Not only is it stupid, but infantile. Like, we can pray to Peter Pan to deliver our prayers to God. Are you crazy? Oh, I am speaking to the ones who practice this Peter Pan doctrine.
The AI answer:
"While no specific pope originated the concept, several popes formalized its theological framework through the centuries: [1, 2]
- Pope Gregory I (the Great) (c. 590–604): Heavily promoted the veneration of saints, including Mary, laying the groundwork for medieval Marian devotion.
- Pope Pius IX: Defined the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception in 1854, solidifying Mary's sinless role, which underpins modern Marian prayer.
- Pope Leo XIII (1878–1903): Known as the "Rosary Pope", he issued 11 encyclicals and widely popularized the daily recitation of the rosary and specific Marian prayers.
- Pope Pius XII: Formally declared the Dogma of the Assumption in 1950 and instituted the Feast of the Queenship of Mary. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
That is so funny. That anyone would think Jesus' mother Mary could intercede and present prayers to God on our behalf. What planet did I wake up on? Wow! Of all the asinine doctrines that I have ever heard, this one takes the cake.
Not only is it stupid, but infantile. Like, we can pray to Peter Pan to deliver our prayers to God. Are you crazy? Oh, I am speaking to the ones who practice this Peter Pan doctrine.