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Please do not think that I am trying to be antagonistic but, let me ask you this. Do you believe that the entire body of linguistic scholarship has missed it and you know better than they how punctuation should be applied in this text? Here are a couple of other example of the exact same grammatical Greek structure. Tell me where you think the comma should go in these verses.
Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him Today is salvation come to this house
Heb. 3:7Wherefore as the Holy Ghost says Today if ye will hear his voice
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eternally-gratefull
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a little common sense might help.
I tell you today you will be with me in paradise (no punctuation)
how would we interpret this.
Today you will be with me in paradise
or I am telling you today, you will be wiht me in paradise.
1. it is your belief which is adding the comma, not ours. We do not need a comma.
2. If Jesus did not mean "today" but that he would enter paradise with him at a later day. Jesus would have just said, I tell you, you will be with me in paradise. there would be no need for jesus to use the word today. it would not fit.
CJ
John was of the OT anointing. Holy Spirit came upon him. The last of the prophets like this.
Jesus and Holy Spirit...are one. His very Spirit...Holy. That is within. What He is, His very nature.
The anointing is the fulness of God coming upon one for ministry. Is the power for miracles, signs and wonders.
The new birth is when we receive His nature within. Holy Spirit baptism is for ministry to others. And the power within the believer. The anointing of His Spirit.
He is our pattern. I can't say this often enough.
John was of the OT anointing. Holy Spirit came upon him. The last of the prophets like this.
Jesus and Holy Spirit...are one. His very Spirit...Holy. That is within. What He is, His very nature.
The anointing is the fulness of God coming upon one for ministry. Is the power for miracles, signs and wonders.
The new birth is when we receive His nature within. Holy Spirit baptism is for ministry to others. And the power within the believer. The anointing of His Spirit.
He is our pattern. I can't say this often enough.
Uh, do you believe that the Word of God is wide open for all to understand today?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
So don't tell me about scholarship being valid credentials.
Would not Abraham have risen from the dead when the saints came out of their graves during the crucifixion of Jesus?
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eternally-gratefull
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why would he?
Lazarus did not raise corruptable. He died again. As did those who rose on that day. The first ressurection has not yet occurred.
That was a vision of the future it says after the resurection the saint enter the city yet at the same time the soilders and all saw all this
How is that possible
Scripture says the saints rose then doesn't it? I would think all the saints would include him.
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eternally-gratefull
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he wants you to admit the law saves you. Thus rejecting grace.
He misinterpreta that passage also. Moses (the law) taught of Christ in the sacrifices and ceremonies and traditions. Not to mention, the moral law. Which should show us our need for Christ.
Unfortunately, John here still does not get the fact the law condemns him, Thus he can never be made right by the law.
This brings up an interesting point I have often considered but simply do not have an answer for. We are not told if it was all the saints or what happened to the saints after that day. I simply do not know.
Mat 27:51
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
I was wrong. I thought it said all the saints rose.
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
I was wrong. I thought it said all the saints rose.
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2Thewaters
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yes
hymenais and philaues also sid all the saints arose and Paul said no
just some of them
the firstfruits.
hymenais and philaues also sid all the saints arose and Paul said no
just some of them
the firstfruits.
That does not make much sense since both the rich man and Lazarus were under the Law (They have Moses and the prophets) as were those to whom Jesus was talking.
Do we have to wait 5 min after posting something before we can like a post? I can't like yours Old hermit, so will do it here.
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NWL
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It is my belief that the Holy Spirit is from God, I'm not sure what you mean by of God.
Yes they do have a Spirit, but not in the sense you might think. They have a spirit meaning they have a life-force. Angels themselves are spirit creatures, having spirit bodies instead of bodies of flesh.
Why do yo ask?
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eternally-gratefull
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What does Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom means ? Was the thief wrong ?
Luke 23:40-43
King James Version (KJV)
40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeingthou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me inparadise.
2 Timothy 4:1
King James Version (KJV)
4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom