Can Humans Become God?
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the Idea we can become gods is anti-God. We have created beings. Therefore we have an expiration date that GOD doesn't have.
Romans chapter one speaks of this. This is a form of self-worship and idolatry.
To BE like or in the likeness of something is not absolute.
the very question of the thread is :
Can Humans Become God?
Not a god but Thee God? The answer is no.
The very subtle slow train around this question to those who say yes, and trying to make jello stick to the wall by saying " in a roundabout way yes we can be a god or God. "
NO, we can't. That is deception, feeding to pride and idol worship. The very thing the devil used in the Garden sadly many are falling for it again today.
Romans chapter one speaks of this. This is a form of self-worship and idolatry.
To BE like or in the likeness of something is not absolute.
the very question of the thread is :
Can Humans Become God?
Not a god but Thee God? The answer is no.
The very subtle slow train around this question to those who say yes, and trying to make jello stick to the wall by saying " in a roundabout way yes we can be a god or God. "
NO, we can't. That is deception, feeding to pride and idol worship. The very thing the devil used in the Garden sadly many are falling for it again today.
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The Bible's Jesus is somewhat complex. He's Adam's biological progeny just
like everybody else, and seeing as how Adam was a created being, then
Jesus has to be reckoned a created being too, viz: Jesus is fully human in
every way: body, soul, spirit, and origin.
So then, if Jesus is certifiably a human being whose origin was dust per Gen
2:7, then how is it that so many Christians insist he's God?
Well; I can only speak for myself in regards to this particular conundrum.
Others will have to speak for their own selves.
Back in 2014, Michelle J. Howard became the first-ever female four-star
Admiral in the U.S. Navy. Was Ms.Howard born a four-star Admiral? No, she
was promoted to that rank.
When Jesus ascended to Heaven forty days after his resurrection, he became
the very first-ever human being to become God. Was Jesus born God? No,
he was promoted to that rank as a reward for his invaluable service to both
God and Man; so that now people have to address Jesus, and respect him,
as the ultimate supreme being. (Eph 1:15-22 and Phil 2:7-11)
• Rev 22:16 . . I am the bright morning star.
By comparing Isa 14:12, Luke 10:18, and Rev 2:26-28; it can be readily
deduced that the Bible's morning stars are persons wielding political power.
But none are as radiant as Christ because he's the signet promised to
Zerubbabel in Hag 2:21-23. In other words: Jesus wields the power of God
so much so that he is in the position of God as God.
• Rev 1:8 . . I am the Alpha and the Omega-- says the Lord God --who is,
and who was, and who is to come: the Almighty
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The Bible's Jesus is somewhat complex. He's Adam's biological progeny just
like everybody else, and seeing as how Adam was a created being, then
Jesus has to be reckoned a created being too, viz: Jesus is fully human in
every way: body, soul, spirit, and origin.
So then, if Jesus is certifiably a human being whose origin was dust per Gen
2:7, then how is it that so many Christians insist he's God?
Well; I can only speak for myself in regards to this particular conundrum.
Others will have to speak for their own selves.
Back in 2014, Michelle J. Howard became the first-ever female four-star
Admiral in the U.S. Navy. Was Ms.Howard born a four-star Admiral? No, she
was promoted to that rank.
When Jesus ascended to Heaven forty days after his resurrection, he became
the very first-ever human being to become God. Was Jesus born God? No,
he was promoted to that rank as a reward for his invaluable service to both
God and Man; so that now people have to address Jesus, and respect him,
as the ultimate supreme being. (Eph 1:15-22 and Phil 2:7-11)
• Rev 22:16 . . I am the bright morning star.
By comparing Isa 14:12, Luke 10:18, and Rev 2:26-28; it can be readily
deduced that the Bible's morning stars are persons wielding political power.
But none are as radiant as Christ because he's the signet promised to
Zerubbabel in Hag 2:21-23. In other words: Jesus wields the power of God
so much so that he is in the position of God as God.
• Rev 1:8 . . I am the Alpha and the Omega-- says the Lord God --who is,
and who was, and who is to come: the Almighty
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That perspective is heretical.
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." - Hebrews 13:8 KJV
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1 KJV
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14 KJV
The physical body of Christ may have been "made flesh" but to say that Jesus ever existed as a nonGod human would be contrary to scripture.
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." - Hebrews 13:8 KJV
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1 KJV
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14 KJV
The physical body of Christ may have been "made flesh" but to say that Jesus ever existed as a nonGod human would be contrary to scripture.
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It is very easy to show that Jesus Christ was conceived and born Adam's
biological progeny.
• Rev 22:16 . . I am the offspring of David
The Greek word translated "offspring" is genos (ghen'-os) which basically
refers to kin, viz: one's relatives.
Christ's kinship with David is quite a bit more specific in Rom 1:1-3 where it
says:
"Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to
the flesh"
The Greek word translated "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah)
which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as
to biological progeny; for example:
• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.
That seed is obviously spiritual progeny; whereas David's is biological
because it's "according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.
Seeing as Jesus' dad Joseph played no role in his son's conception, and his
wife was a virgin at the time, then Jesus' biological association with David
defaults thru his mother, i.e. Mary was biologically related to David; which
places her baby in David's tribe; the tribe of Judah. (Heb 7:14)
This fact may be somewhat insignificant to most Gentiles-- other than their
interest in Christ's connection to Abraham's promises --but Jesus'
association with David is extremely important to the Jews because in order
to validate Jesus' right to rule over the land of Israel, he absolutely must be
biologically situated in the Davidic dynasty: no getting around it. (2Sam 7:8
17 and Ps 89:3-4)
If David's biological grandson consists of human flesh minus a human soul
and spirit, then it must be said that Christ is a Frankenstein monster rather
than a true fellow man.
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It is very easy to show that Jesus Christ was conceived and born Adam's
biological progeny.
• Rev 22:16 . . I am the offspring of David
The Greek word translated "offspring" is genos (ghen'-os) which basically
refers to kin, viz: one's relatives.
Christ's kinship with David is quite a bit more specific in Rom 1:1-3 where it
says:
"Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to
the flesh"
The Greek word translated "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah)
which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as
to biological progeny; for example:
• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.
That seed is obviously spiritual progeny; whereas David's is biological
because it's "according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.
Seeing as Jesus' dad Joseph played no role in his son's conception, and his
wife was a virgin at the time, then Jesus' biological association with David
defaults thru his mother, i.e. Mary was biologically related to David; which
places her baby in David's tribe; the tribe of Judah. (Heb 7:14)
This fact may be somewhat insignificant to most Gentiles-- other than their
interest in Christ's connection to Abraham's promises --but Jesus'
association with David is extremely important to the Jews because in order
to validate Jesus' right to rule over the land of Israel, he absolutely must be
biologically situated in the Davidic dynasty: no getting around it. (2Sam 7:8
17 and Ps 89:3-4)
If David's biological grandson consists of human flesh minus a human soul
and spirit, then it must be said that Christ is a Frankenstein monster rather
than a true fellow man.
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You're forgetting the key concept that God can fundamentally change the nature of something in order to be an offspring or descendant of someone.
"Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." - Luke 3:8 KJV
Jesus was counted through Joseph's geneology likely for this reason despite being conceived by the Holy Spirit through Mary. This isn't just "spiritual" progeny. There is no distinction being made. The only reason one would try to make this distinction is for the political purpose of trying to count all Christians as Gentiles, which they aren't. Being able to demonstrably trace one's genealogy back to Abraham, Israel, and Judah isn't important either, for the seed of the promise is counted in Christ and those in Christ.
"Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." - Luke 3:8 KJV
Jesus was counted through Joseph's geneology likely for this reason despite being conceived by the Holy Spirit through Mary. This isn't just "spiritual" progeny. There is no distinction being made. The only reason one would try to make this distinction is for the political purpose of trying to count all Christians as Gentiles, which they aren't. Being able to demonstrably trace one's genealogy back to Abraham, Israel, and Judah isn't important either, for the seed of the promise is counted in Christ and those in Christ.
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After reading your post a second time i realised you may be a little off on this aspect:
There currently are people walking around who are on "other planets" and we often ask them "what planet are you living on".
With that said
Let in not be in my head
that the Glory of God
is from the planet Nod
but from Christ above
Who sent forth the Dove
Truth is discernable
only from Him
Who is Unknowable
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
Romans 11:33
There currently are people walking around who are on "other planets" and we often ask them "what planet are you living on".
With that said
Let in not be in my head
that the Glory of God
is from the planet Nod
but from Christ above
Who sent forth the Dove
Truth is discernable
only from Him
Who is Unknowable
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
Romans 11:33
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• Luke 1:32-33 . . The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David
God can't arbitrarily give away David's throne to just any John Doe that
comes along. According to 2Sam 7:8-17 and Ps 89:3-4, the man that God
selects absolutely has to be one of David's biological descendants, no
exceptions.
Jesus' mom provided him the biological association with David (post #28)
but he couldn't inherit the throne thru her because it's meant to pass down
from father to son rather than mother to son, ergo: Joseph's role in all this
was very crucial.
Adopted children have a legal right to inherit from their adoptive father all
the same as the man's biological children; and adopted children also have a
legal right to their adoptive father's family name and thus a legitimate
position in his genealogy. Foster children have none of these rights.
Joseph adopted Mary's baby (Matt 1:21 and Matt 1:25) and it so happens
that Joseph is related to David via Solomon. (Matt 1:6-16)
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• Luke 1:32-33 . . The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David
God can't arbitrarily give away David's throne to just any John Doe that
comes along. According to 2Sam 7:8-17 and Ps 89:3-4, the man that God
selects absolutely has to be one of David's biological descendants, no
exceptions.
Jesus' mom provided him the biological association with David (post #28)
but he couldn't inherit the throne thru her because it's meant to pass down
from father to son rather than mother to son, ergo: Joseph's role in all this
was very crucial.
Adopted children have a legal right to inherit from their adoptive father all
the same as the man's biological children; and adopted children also have a
legal right to their adoptive father's family name and thus a legitimate
position in his genealogy. Foster children have none of these rights.
Joseph adopted Mary's baby (Matt 1:21 and Matt 1:25) and it so happens
that Joseph is related to David via Solomon. (Matt 1:6-16)
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All this workings of the Messiah's genealogical background was for the Body that God had prepared to fulfill Prophecy.
And that Prophecy began in the Garden = "the woman's Seed (a man) will crush the Serpents head."
As more Prophecy was given, we come to discover that this Promised Seed was God in a Man.
Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
And that Prophecy began in the Garden = "the woman's Seed (a man) will crush the Serpents head."
As more Prophecy was given, we come to discover that this Promised Seed was God in a Man.
Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
None of what you have said here is based in scripture. Nowhere in the passages you referenced does it say that God cannot make something into a biological descendent of someone. To suggest this is a limitation in God's power is not premised in scripture.
Scripture does not state that Joseph explicitly adopted Jesus. Scripture does not state that the stones that could be raised as descendants of Abraham would not also be flesh and blood descendants. These interpretations you have present are political in nature and you have offered scripture that does not explicitly support your claims.
Scripture does not state that Joseph explicitly adopted Jesus. Scripture does not state that the stones that could be raised as descendants of Abraham would not also be flesh and blood descendants. These interpretations you have present are political in nature and you have offered scripture that does not explicitly support your claims.
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David's throne is a political position.
• Luke 1:32-33 . .The Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father
David; and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his
kingdom there shall be no end.
Quite a few Christians I encounter online have become so fixated on the
cross that they have marginalized the fact that Jesus is not only a savior,
but also a monarch.
• John 18:37 . . Pilate said: You are a king, then? Jesus answered: You are
right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born.
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David's throne is a political position.
• Luke 1:32-33 . .The Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father
David; and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his
kingdom there shall be no end.
Quite a few Christians I encounter online have become so fixated on the
cross that they have marginalized the fact that Jesus is not only a savior,
but also a monarch.
• John 18:37 . . Pilate said: You are a king, then? Jesus answered: You are
right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born.
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Love you, brother!
NEVER stop Believing - Even when every pain - every disapointment and every sorrow says your crazy.
These promises i cling too:
"being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ"
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
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