He defined himself.
Later, after Christ ascended, Paul arrived and the Gospel of the Grace of God became : John 14:6
Can one repent at the Judgement or after death?
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He defined himself.
Later, after Christ ascended, Paul arrived and the Gospel of the Grace of God became : John 14:6
That's true.
SAme with all the Apostles, and thousands of jews who saw Jesus and BELIEVED.
And then the Cross was raised, Jesus died, the New Covenant began, and the "time of the Gentiles" started.
And in this dispensation, or season, Paul's Gospel becomes HOW to go to Heaven.
"All that BELIEVE in Jesus, shall be saved".
There are many verses in the OT and the New that tell us the dead are able to be saved after this life.
If it is true God wishes none to perish and all to come to repentance.
If that were true though why would there be such a thing as The Elect of God? And the names of the saved by God before creation written down in his book?
Every denomination is able to sustain their respective doctrines with scripture. Because scripture is varied and not consistent.
And how are we suppose to know we are that one predestined by God to save us from what he essentially set in motion in the beginning?
How can Jesus teach about the Cross to His Apostles or to anyone else, if He has not died on it yet. ???
He obviously was on earth talking about who He is, and why He came, yet, he was not on the Cross yet offering : John 3:16
He told the Pharisees ....>"if you do not BELIEVE in me, (that i am the Messiah), you will DIE in your SINS".
So, He said that in John 8.....before He hung on the Cross.
John 14:6.......>Jesus said that He is """THE WAY""""......and that noone comes to the Father but by HIM"""">.
YET< He had not died on the Cross......at that time to provide Salvation.
So, why was Jesus talking about redemption /?????, = before His blood was shed and HE died to provide it....?
Its because Jesus is GOD, and He often spoke prophetically about what was going to happen., later.
Paul did this also.
So, its perfect when God, >who is Christ<..... is talking about "believing in Him", KNOWING He is going to the Cross later to offer Himself as the Blood Atonement.
Jesus also told them He was "coming back again".
So, there you go........God as Christ was always talking about what was THEN, and what was TO COME.....Later.
"= prophecy". "The foreknowledge of GOD">......and Jesus is GOD.
Jesus said.....>"if you've seen me you've SEEN the FATHER".
And He should know. John 14:9
Ever hear of progressive Revelation Isaiah 14 proves they are awake and sleep like the rest of us humans.
Could very well be. I'm not tied down to any of the theories.
I love how some people play games and twist the posts of others.
Nowhere in mentioning any theory did I say that Jesus went and Preach the Gospel to ANGELS.
Now that was deceptive and completely uncalled for.
Yeah, that is your assumption.
Here is what scripture actually says without adding any assumptions:
Peter 3:18-22 NIV
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
There is no way we can honestly say from reading that he without any doubt went and preached the gospel giving dead sinners a chance to repent and because of that now people could still have a chance after death. Anyway you look at that, it is adding to the scripture.
I'm sure you could see how dangerous it could be to give anyone hope that they could repent after death. That's almost like playing Russian Roulette with God.
The " imprisoned spirits " are people.
Sure, because if it makes no sense you are reading it wrong.
What sense does it make for the rich man to want to warn his loved ones if they all get a second chance?
I'll tell you how much sense that scenario makes: NONE
The rich man never from the text thought about repenting. Thus all have assumptions.
The General agreement of the church fathers is Jesus entered paradise side of the grave to complete the salvation with them.
The question is not "after judgment" it was "at the judgement" as you can see in the title above. Stop goofing off. friend.
Isaiah 14:3-11
Good News Translation
The King of Babylon in the World of the Dead
3 The Lord will give the people of Israel relief from their pain and suffering and from the hard work they were forced to do. 4 When he does this, they are to mock the king of Babylon and say:
“The cruel king has fallen! He will never oppress anyone again! 5 The Lord has ended the power of the evil rulers 6 who angrily oppressed the peoples and never stopped persecuting the nations they had conquered. 7 Now at last the whole world enjoys rest and peace, and everyone sings for joy. 8 The cypress trees and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice over the fallen king, because there is no one to cut them down, now that he is gone!
9 “The world of the dead is getting ready to welcome the king of Babylon. The ghosts of those who were powerful on earth are stirring about. The ghosts of kings are rising from their thrones. 10 They all call out to him, ‘Now you are as weak as we are! You are one of us! 11 You used to be honored with the music of harps, but now here you are in the world of the dead. You lie on a bed of maggots and are covered with a blanket of worms.’”
I speaking concerning the proof text someone used. It was people making judgements about others, not God.
To my knowledge the person never claimed to be a JW. If they are a born again Christian --- in that case you would be calling them names that are not true, thus an insult.
