I believe one can lose their salvation, yet I am not a "perfectionist". The Bible teaches repentance, perfect people would not need it.
Thats usually how it gets turned around though, if one repeats Heb 10:26, the next question is "so you dont ever sin"? As if I said yes or no, that would change what the passage said.This verse has to be understood in context. Why do you say repeats? This has to do with some things the Hebrews could do...leaving the truth of Christs blood sacrifice for sin. Which is in the context of turning back to judiasm, and forsaking the church assembly. Im not saying there is no application for us. For anyone to turn from Christ and not accept His sacrifice for justification he would be lost. But did he lose his salvation? Yes! did he ever have salvation? Doest say. But if you feel you can use this as a proof text..dont wimp and say "repeats"
It's not like what I say does not apply to me, because I am so perfect. I need repentance just as much as everyone else. But if I choose not to repent, then who fault is that?Ive never said or believed repentance wasnt necessary, its the first step in conversion, followed by daily confession.
So it's not a perfectionist message. Yet that's what everyone needs to believe the message is, so it will be easy to reject.I havnt a clue what your going on about.
I dont know what you believe, but many OSAS say if a person lives in sin he was never saved. Again, if what I interprete the Bible to say is a perfectionist message, then how is that one not either? How? can a person with a new nature and a new heart carry on in sin? Thats what people are trying to tell you.
Ive never liked to say osas..although i dont believe you can lose your salvation. But i dont debate it...i just add in stuff usually...for a listener, never to those who teach you can...pointless to do that from what i see.
that is saying, everyone who has not changed their lives was never saved. But I know that is not a perfectionist message, I understand what those who say this mean. Nither is what I repeat, "repent or ye shall all like wise perish". Luk 13:3.
Nothing fun about me believing if I fall into sin, and never repent, I will lose heaven. repentance comes from grace given by the Father...not something we muster.
There is nothing evil about believing sin will separate us from God, the Bible tells us this - Isa 59:1-2, Jn 9:31.
Yes i agree sin seperates us from God, not God from us.
The point of the prodigal son, is not to teach if we choose sin God will force us to come back.
Drawing is not forcing, anymore than Jesus leaving the ninety nine abused the straying sheep..even tho He brakes their leg.And carries them for a spell.
The point of the parable is while the son lived in sin, his condition was "Dead", we he returned (repented) ONLY then was his condition changed back to "alive" - Luk 15:24.This story had other meaning to His listeners you cant use it for this op's point. There are many uses in the bible for dead alive, besides salvation. Else you want to say a man can get saved, get damned, then get saved again. This story CANNOT be used for the for or against osas, that just is not the point at all to the three parables but to show how heaven rejoices when a sinner repents. Nowhere does it say anyone was saved first.
God may chastise some who are sin, but for how long? He does not force us to obey/love him.He chastises all His children, and will even judge them and end their life if need be.
Bottom line, if the son would have stayed in the world, he would have stayed "dead". How many saved people does the Bible ever refer to as "dead"?
