Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[Charlie_2024]

Well now you say that God does not do bad things to people.

Well is God bad for doing bad things to people.

No he is not bad.

When a person deserves hell they deserve hell.

This is all that needs to be said.

We don't need some made 100 pages doctrine to elaborate on that.

So if John Calvin says don't question Gods plan and he says only be concerned in his Good intentions, how is it possible John Calvin wrote huge doctrine on What bad things God Will do to people

So now you say the more people sin the more they distant them selves from God.

But yet you have to obey to stop distancing your self from God so why make this an Armenian doctrine.


Well anyway how do you know John Calvin wrote this tulip doctrine 500 years ago.

Everything that God does is good, including casting sinners into hell to be tormented forever. I take it you agree with this truth.

It's good to have the 100 pages to understand how horrible the torment of eternal hell fire is, it makes for interesting reading.

John Calvin never wrote anything about how bad God is, because God is only good at all times. Even when sinners beg Him not to throw them in the lake of fire and He shows no mercy and throws them in there anyway. That's what He has to do to prove that He is good.

Gods elect never question anything God does, we love everything He does. No matter how bad it is

Yes, reprobate sinners continue to fall deeper into depravity forever, making it more impossible to repent with every passing moment.

The Arminian doctrine teaches, that the reprobate can repent, while we know that's impossible.

John Calvin became one of the most famous figures of history, because he created the TULIP chart.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Then i have another question @Charlie_2024

Why is John Calvin pictured with Martin luther

Who was John Calvin ?

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Luther and Calvin were the Church Reformers. The Reformation, caused a civil war in the Church where hundreds of thousands of Christians were killed by other Christians who didn't like what the Reformers did.

Martin Luther gave the order for Christians to defend themselves from the attacking Roman Catholics by killing them, that resulted in a major blood bath.

The fight was over "Sola Scriptora", where the Reformers challenged the authority of the Vatican by claiming that Holy Scripture was the highest authority and not the Pope of Rome. That infuriated the Pope who ordered an all out war against the Reformers.

The Reformers claimed that the old Pagan Rome had hijacked the Church and ruled it for 1200 years, until the Reformers came along and liberated the Church from captivity to Pagan Rome.

 

[Charlie_2024]

. Well I'm asking you why John Calvin said not to question what bad things God can do to people.

why should i need to prove anything.

was he saying not to question God's authority, I don't know Charlie but is that biblical

He was saying that God will cast anyone who questions Him into the lake of fire, as it is an abomination in His sight.

You can put criminal on trial and question them all day long, but don't you dare accuse God of being evil.

 

[Burn1986]

It's common knowledge that God is not a racist. He chose people from every tribe and tongue, that means from every single ethnic group.

You will never find any evidence of God changing his mind. That's just ridiculous to even suggest something so silly.

Racist? Where in the world did you draw that conclusion?! Dear Lord

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

He was saying that God will cast anyone who questions Him into the lake of fire, as it is an abomination in His sight.

You can put criminal on trial and question them all day long, but don't you dare accuse God of being evil.

ok now we have establish this why must you obey God

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Luther and Calvin were the Church Reformers. The Reformation, caused a civil war in the Church where hundreds of thousands of Christians were killed by other Christians who didn't like what the Reformers did.

Martin Luther gave the order for Christians to defend themselves from the attacking Roman Catholics by killing them, that resulted in a major blood bath.

The fight was over "Sola Scriptora", where the Reformers challenged the authority of the Vatican by claiming that Holy Scripture was the highest authority and not the Pope of Rome. That infuriated the Pope who ordered an all out war against the Reformers.

The Reformers claimed that the old Pagan Rome had hijacked the Church and ruled it for 1200 years, until the Reformers came along and liberated the Church from captivity to Pagan Rome.

no Martyn Luther left the Roman Catholic church with his nickers In a twist.

Then obviously whilst his knickers where in a twist he probably got this John Calvins knickers in a twist

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Everything that God does is good, including casting sinners into hell to be tormented forever. I take it you agree with this truth.

It's good to have the 100 pages to understand how horrible the torment of eternal hell fire is, it makes for interesting reading.

John Calvin never wrote anything about how bad God is, because God is only good at all times. Even when sinners beg Him not to throw them in the lake of fire and He shows no mercy and throws them in there anyway. That's what He has to do to prove that He is good.

Gods elect never question anything God does, we love everything He does. No matter how bad it is

Yes, reprobate sinners continue to fall deeper into depravity forever, making it more impossible to repent with every passing moment.

The Arminian doctrine teaches, that the reprobate can repent, while we know that's impossible.

John Calvin became one of the most famous figures of history, because he created the TULIP chart.

it not good to God Charly he says he takes no pleasure in punishing the wicked

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Luther and Calvin were the Church Reformers. The Reformation, caused a civil war in the Church where hundreds of thousands of Christians were killed by other Christians who didn't like what the Reformers did.

Martin Luther gave the order for Christians to defend themselves from the attacking Roman Catholics by killing them, that resulted in a major blood bath.

The fight was over "Sola Scriptora", where the Reformers challenged the authority of the Vatican by claiming that Holy Scripture was the highest authority and not the Pope of Rome. That infuriated the Pope who ordered an all out war against the Reformers.

The Reformers claimed that the old Pagan Rome had hijacked the Church and ruled it for 1200 years, until the Reformers came along and liberated the Church from captivity to Pagan Rome.

reformers or rebellious reformers

Did they know each other you know talk to each other.

 

[Burn1986]

it not good to God Charly he says he takes no pleasure in punishing the wicked

Pretty sure that’s not what he’s saying

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Pretty sure that’s not what he’s saying

I'm pretty sure that God doesn't find it good to put people in hell

 

[Burn1986]

It's common knowledge that God is not a racist. He chose people from every tribe and tongue, that means from every single ethnic group.

You will never find any evidence of God changing his mind. That's just ridiculous to even suggest something so silly.

If you just do a search on a Bible hub God changed His mind (relented) regularly, usually from fasting. Duh, common knowledge

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

If you just do a search on a Bible hub God changed His mind (relented) regularly, usually from fasting. Duh, common knowledge

I appreciate your comment but I'm talking to my friend Charly.

Also don't treat people as if there stupid now you repent of that

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

, but don't you dare accuse God of being evil.

I'm pretty sure I never said this Charley

 

[ForestGreenCook]

That's a private interpretation of verse 4. I would agree with you if the verse stated, "chose us TO BE in him," however, it doesn't state this. Most Calvinists miss the word "according" which takes you back to the previous statement telling us what was chosen before the foundation of the world. It is the spiritual blessings in Christ. Those spiritual blessings are given to us in Christ. Not one individual was chosen before the foundation of the world, if so, there would never be a time when we were children of wrath. That would be a lie.

You are replying to my post which explains the steps of being adopted as God's children.

To my knowledge of the scriptures, the adopted children's final process is when he comes back and gathers his elect (Matt 24:31).


Who are God's elect? Elect=picked out, chosen=Jacob whose surname is Israel (Gen 32:27-28) (Isaiah 45:4) (Rom 8:33-39) (Rom 9:6-16)


Elect=God's sheep (John 10:26-29)

 

[John146]

You are replying to my post which explains the steps of being adopted as God's children.

To my knowledge of the scriptures, the adopted children's final process is when he comes back and gathers his elect (Matt 24:31).


Who are God's elect? Elect=picked out, chosen=Jacob whose surname is Israel (Gen 32:27-28) (Isaiah 45:4) (Rom 8:33-39) (Rom 9:6-16)


Elect=God's sheep (John 10:26-29)

Elect is never in the context of salvation. Jesus is elect. There are elect angels. Were Jesus and the angels chosen to be saved?

 

[rogerg]

Elect is never in the context of salvation. Jesus is elect. There are elect angels. Were Jesus and the angels chosen to be saved?

Never?

[Mat 24:22 KJV] 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
[Mar 13:20 KJV] 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
[2Ti 2:10 KJV] 10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Luther and Calvin were the Church Reformers. The Reformation, caused a civil war in the Church where hundreds of thousands of Christians were killed by other Christians who didn't like what the Reformers did.

Martin Luther gave the order for Christians to defend themselves from the attacking Roman Catholics by killing them, that resulted in a major blood bath.

The fight was over "Sola Scriptora", where the Reformers challenged the authority of the Vatican by claiming that Holy Scripture was the highest authority and not the Pope of Rome. That infuriated the Pope who ordered an all out war against the Reformers.

The Reformers claimed that the old Pagan Rome had hijacked the Church and ruled it for 1200 years, until the Reformers came along and liberated the Church from captivity to Pagan Rome.

what does any of this has to do with the tulip doctrine

 

[John146]

[Mat 24:22 KJV] 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The context is the tribulation. The elect are God's witnesses during the time of Jacob's trouble. There are 144,000 Jewish male virgins. If the days were not shortened, they too would die (flesh not soul).

 

[John146]

[2Ti 2:10 KJV] 10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Paul is referring to the nation of Israel, God's elect nation. The were chosen by God to bring forth the Messiah. They are enemies of the gospel. Paul has a deep desire to see them saved.

 

[rogerg]

The context is the tribulation. The elect are God's witnesses during the time of Jacob's trouble. There are 144,000 Jewish male virgins. If the days were not shortened, they too would die (flesh not soul).

Nope, the below verses were directed to Timothy. Timothy, though (and because of) his Greek father, was a Gentile not a Jew. So, they cannot be referring to 144,00 Jewish male virgins (that is, not earthly Jews), but instead, are those chosen to salvation by God out of ALL "kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation", who God makes into the true spiritual Jews of spiritual Israel - the Israel from above.

[2Ti 1:9 KJV]
9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

[2Ti 2:10-14 KJV]
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 [It is] a faithful saying: For if we be dead with [him], we shall also live with [him]:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, [yet] he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14 Of these things put [them] in remembrance, charging [them] before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, [but] to the subverting of the hearers.

Which verses explicitly and specifically define, state, and tie-in the 144,00 to represent earthly Jewish male virgins as the elect?