Lol if that's what you want to believe may you get what you deserve, praise Jesus.
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Sure, by the grace of God everyone will get what they deserve. Everyone will reap what they sow. Lord Jesus gives all what they deserve. Some deserve salvation and some deserve everlasting hellfire and they will definitely all get it. Praise Lord God his promises endure forever, praise Lord Jesus.
Isaiah 59:18-21
18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
19 So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.
Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The word "confess" is the Greek word homologéō (from 3674 /homoú, "together" and 3004 /légō, "speak to a conclusion") – properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse).
homologéō ("confess") means to speak the same thing, i.e. "assent, agree with, confess, declare, admit" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 120).
We confess (agree) that Jesus is Lord and we believe in our heart that God raised Him from the dead. We then are saved – Greek sṓzō (from sōs, "safe, rescued") – properly, deliver out of danger and into safety; used principally of God rescuing believers from the penalty and power of sin – and into His provisions (safety).
4982 (sṓzō) is the root of: 4990 /sōtḗr ("Savior"), 4991 /sōtēría ("salvation") and the adjectival form, 4992 /sōtḗrion (what is "saved/rescued from destruction and brought into divine safety").
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
God has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save them that are lost (1 Cor 1:21).
When someone preaches to us, we either agree and confess Jesus is Lord, believe God raised Him from the dead, and God delivers us into safety [rescues us from the penalty and power of sin and into His provisions (safety)].
If we disagree with what is preached/heard, we reject God's truth, do not agree or confess, do not believe God raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, and we remain under the penalty and power of sin.
While we all deserve hell, no one but Jesus deserves eternal life...it is a GIFT of God. We don't deserve a gift, only wages.
Romans 6:23 (NASB) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Sure and all will get paid in either death and hellfire of the graceful free gift of Lord Jesus as each deserves like in that earlier chapter Romans 2.
Romans 2 King James Version (KJV)
1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Well, this is why I put what I did in this Post #8 (and #9, below that):
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...he-spirit-of-christ-in-us.186205/post-3976333
So, one can have "G4100" in any number of different objects, but only ONE [Person (Jesus Christ and His finished work)] is the correct Object (if one is to expect to have "eternal life"/"salvation"... "works" doesn't cut it.
)9If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony of God that He has testified concerning His Son. 10The one believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning His Son.
11And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12The one having the Son has life; the one not having the Son of God does not have life.
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Pisteuo
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True NT saving Faith is a covenant, a contract, a relationship, with Jesus Christ Himself, a real living person! Not with what He did or what he promises.
Your understanding is based upon a mistranslation. There is no word in the Greek for the English words believe, believer, and believing. In the Greek language they only acknowledge pisteuo going towards something, or apisteuo going away from something. No middle or nuetral ground such as believing.
In the OP, you asked "how do we receive the Spirit of Christ".
I answered that question.
The ongoing relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ begins with confess Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead – as stated in Romans 10:9.
Then we abide in Him (John 15), put Him on (Rom 13:14).
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Pisteuo
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That's what the church world teaches, from seminary's, to Bible colleges, to the pulpit, and it's wrong!
It's "wrong" to abide in the Lord Jesus Christ as instructed in John 15? To be a branch in the living Vine where the Sap of the Vine supplies all that is needed in order for the branch to bring forth fruit ... this is "wrong"???
It's "wrong" to put on the Lord Jesus Christ as instructed in Romans 13:14? But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. This is wrong???
Matthew 11:
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light
I suppose it's also "wrong" to yoke up to the Lord Jesus Christ ... to learn from Him ... to rest in Him ... to have Him reveal the Father to us???
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Pisteuo
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If it "begins" with "believing" in what Christ did and said to receive the Spirit of Christ, it's a deception. Believing, will not fulfill the requirements of Faith applied (pisteuo).
You know I have been reading everything you have been saying and you come off as if your this great teacher and the rest of us are "clueless." And of course saving faith is a relationship with the Person of Jesus Christ based on "BELIEVING" and accepting Him in our hearts for what He did on that cross.
Then more than one poster gave you Romans 10:9 and you tell us that using the word "believe, believing etc" is a mistranslation. So what word would you substitue in English for the word believe? The Greek word for believe is "pisteuses." So what English word would you use instead, since according to you this a mistranslation?
And what English word would you use at John 8:24, "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you "BELIEVE" that I am, you shall die in your sins." Tell us all here how are you going to improve on the English word "BELIEVE" in this verse? The Greek word is "pisteuses." And btw, I don't think it is a matter of mistranslation but a matter of degree in understanding. The Greek words are more "forceful" in their meaning and give us more insight in any given text.
Now, I'm well aware of the fact that the Greek language is one of the most precise languages in the world and it does not always "match" up to our English language but that does not mean were suppose "scrap" teachers, preachers or theologians within the church. It seems to me you should do more "listening" and more Bible study on your own rather than try to pick apart the clear meaning of Scripture even if it's in English. In short, people are at different levels of their Christian life and you should take that into consideration instead of talking "down" to people.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I think you mean my 1st psalm signature line? The Idea is 1 with God is a majority. I explained it to @Magenta and we collaborated. The idea was mine but the work and talent is all hers.
I asked and prayed for the Holy Spirit with hope and sincerity. Then I received but the manifestations are different every time.
Peter's experience and Paul's were different and only John got the final end times prophecy. If we work with what the Lord gives us we've done what we are called to do.
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Pisteuo
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You know I have been reading everything you have been saying and you come off as if your this great teacher and the rest of us are "clueless." And of course saving faith is a relationship with the Person of Jesus Christ based on "BELIEVING" and accepting Him in our hearts for what He did on that cross.
Then more than one poster gave you Romans 10:9 and you tell us that using the word "believe, believing etc" is a mistranslation. So what word would you substitue in English for the word believe? The Greek word for believe is "pisteuses." So what English word would you use instead, since according to you this a mistranslation?
And what English word would you use at John 8:24, "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you "BELIEVE" that I am, you shall die in your sins." Tell us all here how are you going to improve on the English word "BELIEVE" in this verse? The Greek word is "pisteuses." And btw, I don't think it is a matter of mistranslation but a matter of degree in understanding. The Greek words are more "forceful" in their meaning and give us more insight in any given text.
Now, I'm well aware of the fact that the Greek language is one of the most precise languages in the world and it does not always "match" up to our English language but that does not mean were suppose "scrap" teachers, preachers or theologians within the church. It seems to me you should do more "listening" and more Bible study on your own rather than try to pick apart the clear meaning of Scripture even if it's in English. In short, people are at different levels of their Christian life and you should take that into consideration instead of talking "down" to people.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
My last and only advice to you, is to find a way to look past the messenger and focus on the message.
If someone has a better understanding of Christ and the Salvation journey, I don't care what they sound like!
BTW she has a Scripture art thread here in the poems & poetry forum..
Well, on what basis is your understanding of Jesus Christ and your salvation journey is any better than mine or others around here? At Acts 2:37-38, "Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"
Vs38, And Peter said to them, "Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of yours sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." And at vs44, "And all those who had "BELIEVED" (there's that pesty word believed again) were together, and had all things in common."
So tell me, what was it that saved these early saints? Was it getting baptized in water? Was it getting baptized in water and believing in Jesus Christ? Was it believing in Jesus Christ only and not getting water baptized? Afterall, vs47 says, "And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those whe were being saved." What say you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Pisteuo
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Well, on what basis is your understanding of Jesus Christ and your salvation journey is any better than mine or others around here? At Acts 2:37-38, "Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"
Vs38, And Peter said to them, "Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of yours sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." And at vs44, "And all those who had "BELIEVED" (there's that pesty word believed again) were together, and had all things in common."
So tell me, what was it that saved these early saints? Was it getting baptized in water? Was it getting baptized in water and believing in Jesus Christ? Was it believing in Jesus Christ only and not getting water baptized? Afterall, vs47 says, "And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those whe were being saved." What say you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I don't discuss God's Word with anyone until I'm sure that God's Word belongs to them. This is why I camp at the very beginning of the Salvation journey to see if a mandatory understanding of pisteuo or faithing is understood and fulfilled. I also keep an eye out for those accidental conversations, such as myself.
There's no short cuts!