Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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We have to will to have Him have his will done through us.
That requires learning and gaining lots of sound doctrine.
Why?
Because we will not know when His will is being desired, owing to the fact that His ways are not our ways, nor His thoughts our thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8-9)
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and
trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Philippians 2:12-13
One reason for our fear and trembling is because God does not fear what we fear!
We are to be learning His ways as to walk as He walks!
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Sorry for the late reply friend, not just the site issues, sorting out mega installations on two rigs as well. Have explained in several comments i don't think our will is controlled at all, we certainly have both choice and will and can exercise both. Free will is near impossible tho as there are 8/9 billion wills of other people to contend with, which means we can only exercise our will unilaterally on occasion.
Free will is the ability to exercise/execute our will and choices unilaterally, which we can only do occasionally. I do think we are less regimented/have more leeway than angels, different tasks/strokes for different folks. However, they are more powerful than us and clearly have will/make choices too.
Anyway, hope all's good with you and what i've said makes sense.
Free will is the ability to exercise/execute our will and choices unilaterally, which we can only do occasionally. I do think we are less regimented/have more leeway than angels, different tasks/strokes for different folks. However, they are more powerful than us and clearly have will/make choices too.
Anyway, hope all's good with you and what i've said makes sense.
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That made me laugh friend, the Lord was entitled to get a little irate at all our shenanigans but i was thinking more we'd have driven ourselves to extinction in our early days, if we had free will. Only the LORD has the moral chops to cope with FREE will, as i said in my comment above, even the angels don't have free will.
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Forgot to reply to this yesterday BillyBob, it's such a great comment which i really agree with. I do wonder if Adam and Eve might still be resurrected, hopefully we'll refrain from lynching them if they are.
Bit busy with stuff i need to sort out at the moment but so happy i'm visiting the site again. There are quite a few really lovely people here and you're one of them for sure. Hope i might be back later on, depends on how these installations go.
Bit busy with stuff i need to sort out at the moment but so happy i'm visiting the site again. There are quite a few really lovely people here and you're one of them for sure. Hope i might be back later on, depends on how these installations go.
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“Have explained in several comments i don't think our will is controlled at all, we certainly have both choice and will and can exercise both. “
yeah I agree with what’s above here .^^
“i don't think our will is controlled at all, “
the problem is I’m not understanding how it’s not free if it’s under our own control . Speaking as a Christian of course
other people have thier own will that they also control correct ?
If someone chooses to do something that affects me are they doing it of themselves and thier own will ?
“Free will is the ability to exercise/execute our will and choices unilaterally,”
“Have explained in several comments i don't think our will is controlled at all, we certainly have both choice and will and can exercise both. “
ok so ?
You believe we have a Will and the ability to choose , and can exercise both our Will and choices …… yeah I think we agree much more than I had thought before
God bless thanks for being patient
yeah I agree with what’s above here .^^
“i don't think our will is controlled at all, “
the problem is I’m not understanding how it’s not free if it’s under our own control . Speaking as a Christian of course
other people have thier own will that they also control correct ?
If someone chooses to do something that affects me are they doing it of themselves and thier own will ?
“Free will is the ability to exercise/execute our will and choices unilaterally,”
“Have explained in several comments i don't think our will is controlled at all, we certainly have both choice and will and can exercise both. “
ok so ?
You believe we have a Will and the ability to choose , and can exercise both our Will and choices …… yeah I think we agree much more than I had thought before
God bless thanks for being patient
“cooperating with God's moral will--or not,”
yeah that’s always been the situation since they partook of good and evil knowledge.
Even since cain the first born man “ if you do good you will be accepted but I’d you do not do good sin is waiting to have you , but you must overcome it “
In that comment you replied to is sort of the latter point of something I was trying to work through in conversation and thought to understand another persons view of “ free Will “.
man was made free but we become bond servants to either good or evil based on what we partake of in this world . If we live sinful lives lord and more we’re going to reap that if we turn from those things and walk the other way with and towards the good in our heart then we’ll be made free again.
I was really just trying to find out what tbier definition of “ Will “ was , and how it was free or not .
man definetely become servants to sin in our lives and need to be set free . I was really just trying to get to that part of how and why man became corrupted in the area of our Will and motivations .
How we became like this inside which is the source of our bondage outwardly in our actions
I believe the condition of our Will is based on the condition of our hearts and minds which the gospel can heal taking us from this place
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21-23 KJV
to this place which the gospel accomplishes if we’re willing to listen to the lords word within it
“But ye have not so learned Christ; if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: ( John 8:31-32) that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; (that’s what Jesus was saying )
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( this is why we need to listen to Jesus word )
and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:20-24 KJV
This new man is not the same as the old man he’s no longer in n a snare and trap of the devil by his Will, but accepting the truth has brought his mind to repentance
“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
that last part there shows us that sinners are captives of satans will, and need to acknowledge the gospel in order to recover themselves out of his deadly trap tbat all began with a lie and then more lies and more lies and so the truth becomes the way we are redeemed and then more truth and more truth ….
and so from one glory to the next and from faith upon faith we are constantly being renewed more and more in our minds and hearts through belief that wickedness can’t abide there anymore in our minds and hearts where our Will and choices are determined
yeah that’s always been the situation since they partook of good and evil knowledge.
Even since cain the first born man “ if you do good you will be accepted but I’d you do not do good sin is waiting to have you , but you must overcome it “
In that comment you replied to is sort of the latter point of something I was trying to work through in conversation and thought to understand another persons view of “ free Will “.
man was made free but we become bond servants to either good or evil based on what we partake of in this world . If we live sinful lives lord and more we’re going to reap that if we turn from those things and walk the other way with and towards the good in our heart then we’ll be made free again.
I was really just trying to find out what tbier definition of “ Will “ was , and how it was free or not .
man definetely become servants to sin in our lives and need to be set free . I was really just trying to get to that part of how and why man became corrupted in the area of our Will and motivations .
How we became like this inside which is the source of our bondage outwardly in our actions
I believe the condition of our Will is based on the condition of our hearts and minds which the gospel can heal taking us from this place
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21-23 KJV
to this place which the gospel accomplishes if we’re willing to listen to the lords word within it
“But ye have not so learned Christ; if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: ( John 8:31-32) that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; (that’s what Jesus was saying )
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( this is why we need to listen to Jesus word )
and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:20-24 KJV
This new man is not the same as the old man he’s no longer in n a snare and trap of the devil by his Will, but accepting the truth has brought his mind to repentance
“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
that last part there shows us that sinners are captives of satans will, and need to acknowledge the gospel in order to recover themselves out of his deadly trap tbat all began with a lie and then more lies and more lies and so the truth becomes the way we are redeemed and then more truth and more truth ….
and so from one glory to the next and from faith upon faith we are constantly being renewed more and more in our minds and hearts through belief that wickedness can’t abide there anymore in our minds and hearts where our Will and choices are determined
“revealed as accepting Christ and cooperating with His HS.”
amen
“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:23-26 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
Acts 3:22-24, 26 KJV
amen
“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:23-26 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
Acts 3:22-24, 26 KJV