Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Did you read this part of the reporting guidelines?

**If you are claiming that a user is being rude or making personal attacks, make sure you aren't part of the problem. Routinely I reject reports for this type of behavior because the person reporting the post is part of the problem in which case (in order to be fair) I can either do nothing or infraction all users involved.​

In all seriousness, might I suggest you head off to the threads you said you find friendlier? Go through some other Biblical Discussion threads. What you're finding to be so offensive is mild in comparison to the general tone of this part of the forum. I wish it weren't, but as you've said my will isn't free to affect others (or something like that). Nor does it seem God's will is free in this respect. His kids can be quite nasty. Maybe He's letting their free will work and has always known what He'd have to put up with for a time in order to have what He freely wills in the end.
Thought of that myself but the post proves that tho i did occasionally get angry myself, the vast majority of the time i tried to find a resolution. The malice, trolling and bullying of me is undeniable.

And please! I have better things to do than reply to repeated comments about the same thing.
 

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Thought of that myself but the post proves that tho i did occasionally get angry myself, the vast majority
of the time i tried to find a resolution. The malice, trolling and bullying of me is undeniable.
That person you are now speaking with who pretends to love peaceful interactions has engaged in trash talking
for months on end with another member and then claimed they did it to keep the other "busy" and "entertained"
... all while complaining about how the other was a trash talker etc etc. That type of hypocrisy is certainly rife.
 

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Did you read this part of the reporting guidelines?

**If you are claiming that a user is being rude or making personal attacks, make sure you aren't part of the problem. Routinely I reject reports for this type of behavior because the person reporting the post is part of the problem in which case (in order to be fair) I can either do nothing or infraction all users involved.​

In all seriousness, might I suggest you head off to the threads you said you find friendlier? Go through some other Biblical Discussion threads. What you're finding to be so offensive is mild in comparison to the general tone of this part of the forum. I wish it weren't, but as you've said my will isn't free to affect others (or something like that). Nor does it seem God's will is free in this respect. His kids can be quite nasty. Maybe He's letting their free will work and has always known what He'd have to put up with for a time in order to have what He freely wills in the end.
So much will is shining through! :)
It must be real!
 
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That person you are now speaking with who pretends to love peaceful interactions has engaged in trash talking
for months on end with another member and then claimed they did it to keep the other "busy" and "entertained"
... all while complaining about how the other was a trash talker etc etc. That type of hypocrisy is certainly rife.
Cheers Magenta, know you've been a victim of their malice too. As have so many others but they only get away with it, i hope, because people allow them too. They must be called out as the bullies they are.
 

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So much will is shining through! :)
It must be real!
You sure love your lies and misrepresentations.

All your pretensions as if anyone has said man does not have a will and does not make choices.

Do you really believe Adam was an atheist???
 

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Cheers Magenta, know you've been a victim of their malice too. As have so many others but they only get away with it, i hope, because people allow them too. They must be called out as the bullies they are.
Oh, they will keep at you as long as you keep responding. Then they throw in a pretend apology and
dishonest assertions about their intentions and think they have fooled everyone. They do fool some.
Maybe they really do believe what they say. That just brings us back to how delusional they are.
 
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Oh, they will keep at you as long as you keep responding. Then they throw in a pretend apology and
dishonest assertions about their intentions and think they have fooled everyone. They do fool some.
i've seen a lot of that for sure, doesn't work with me either. However, it is part of the evidence i'll be presenting.
 

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Thought of that myself but the post proves that tho i did occasionally get angry myself, the vast majority of the time i tried to find a resolution. The malice, trolling and bullying of me is undeniable.
Well, you have the data, or "evidence" as you call it, but FWIW, you do come across as very quick to label simple disagreement as trolling, lack of integrity, bullying, etc. Maybe some raw nerves and sensitivities to disagreement at the phase of life and circumstances. It happens in this world in these bodies. Seriously, we all have the freedom to move on to greener pastures. Theology sadly can be a tough business and from one post above, you may be very new to it.
 

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I feel a little concerned for you, what is odd about somebody refusing to be trolled and bullied off their own post? Very strange reasoning from you.
Just experience and reality. Your choice, but as you seem to understand, you cannot control others.
 
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Well, you have the data, or "evidence" as you call it, but FWIW, you do come across as very quick to label simple disagreement as trolling, lack of integrity, bullying, etc. Maybe some raw nerves and sensitivities to disagreement at the phase of life and circumstances. It happens in this world in these bodies. Seriously, we all have the freedom to move on to greener pastures. Theology sadly can be a tough business and from one post above, you may be very new to it.
That really is funny, you have got so used to trolling, it's normal to you now.
 
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Just experience and reality. Your choice, but as you seem to understand, you cannot control others.
As the evidence shows, you trolls are the control freaks, i merely wanted there to be free discussion on my post, for myself and others. You just wanted to troll and enforce your opinions.
 

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Interesting.. ChatGPT

Most philosophers don’t fully assert that humans have absolute control over every outcome in the world, but rather that we have varying degrees of influence—whether that’s through aligning with a metaphysical force, self-mastery, or the sheer force of will.

The Law of Attraction might be the modern view that leans into the idea of total control over one’s outcomes through mental power and manifestation, though it remains controversial.

So generally speaking this definition of "free will" as the >>>> ability of absolute control of outcomes is an outlier and not about how "freely" one can exercise one's will.
 
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Interesting.. ChatGPT

Most philosophers don’t fully assert that humans have absolute control over every outcome in the world, but rather that we have varying degrees of influence—whether that’s through aligning with a metaphysical force, self-mastery, or the sheer force of will.

The Law of Attraction might be the modern view that leans into the idea of total control over one’s outcomes through mental power and manifestation, though it remains controversial.

So generally speaking this definition of "free will" as the >>>> ability of absolute control of outcomes is an outlier and not about how "freely" one can exercise one's will.
You are definitely a cherry picker of info, who expects others to agree with your choices. You'd get some respect for me if you could express rational thoughts of your own.
 

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You are definitely a cherry picker of info, who expects others to agree with your choices.
You'd get some respect for me if you could express rational thoughts of your own.
However there is zero Biblical basis for believing the will of the natural man is free so they are left grasping at straws.

Meanwhile they find it pleasant to hobnob with people who say such things as only the fool who says in his
heart, "There is no God," chooses to sin and then becomes a slave to sin. Nobody else requires being set free
and in that theology, Adam was an atheist, there is simply no escaping that rational conclusion.
 

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Deductive would have been a better word than rational, since the inescapable conclusion of cv5's line
of thought, that Adam was an atheist, is clearly as delusional as much of the rest of what he proposed.


He is one who would rather blaspheme God than admit he was wrong about what Scripture plainly says.