Can you be baptized by an unbelieving person?
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ultimately it is God who commends not anyone else thanks
2 Cor 10:18
For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth
2 Corinthians 10:18
When someone boasts about himself and how well he has done, it doesn’t count for much. But when the Lord commends him, that’s different!
2 Cor 10:18
For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth
2 Corinthians 10:18
When someone boasts about himself and how well he has done, it doesn’t count for much. But when the Lord commends him, that’s different!
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
- Matthew 28:19
How would an unbeliever baptize you if he has no clue about religions, faith and that God exists?
I mean you can call it anything else, but it definitely wouldn't be a baptism that's for sure.
- Matthew 28:19
How would an unbeliever baptize you if he has no clue about religions, faith and that God exists?
I mean you can call it anything else, but it definitely wouldn't be a baptism that's for sure.
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Step into even the shower and trust Father to doing his done work in you. Father who knows all secrets as we close our closet doors and pour out all our stuff, as if throwing it all up, asking Father to show us and free us from stress in us to relieve us from and see new and not harm others anymore at all (no more accusing and excusing anyone anymore). like Christ the Son did when he went to that cross without any fight back of the flesh nature at all. Amazing isn't it?
I see new to trust Father too, in willingness as Son did first for us to see and be new in the risen Son in love and mercy to all too, thank you seeing contentment in all things
As Paul saw in saying there are those that believe willingly, sincerely and there those that do not, I will glory in both, why?
Because Jesus the Son is preached, and Father will come into them and teach each that believe To see and be humble in love and mercy also, that is what has been going on in me, and I bet many others too.
I see new to trust Father too, in willingness as Son did first for us to see and be new in the risen Son in love and mercy to all too, thank you seeing contentment in all things
As Paul saw in saying there are those that believe willingly, sincerely and there those that do not, I will glory in both, why?
Because Jesus the Son is preached, and Father will come into them and teach each that believe To see and be humble in love and mercy also, that is what has been going on in me, and I bet many others too.
Water baptism is about you, not the one willing to baptise you.
I would advise against self-baptising, because if anyone was eligible to carry that through, Jesus would've been that man, but even He was baptised by John the Baptist.
With His example always having preeminence, I would always seek someone to baptise you.
I would advise against self-baptising, because if anyone was eligible to carry that through, Jesus would've been that man, but even He was baptised by John the Baptist.
With His example always having preeminence, I would always seek someone to baptise you.
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No.. people baptizing have authority from God. You won't find any one unsaved baptizing in the Bible.
After John the Baptist..church members baptized those professing salvation from Jesus Christ.
The believer who understands what baptism is two pre requisites to start with. A pastor of a church would most likely be the third pre requisite.
I need to find the scriptures for this
After John the Baptist..church members baptized those professing salvation from Jesus Christ.
The believer who understands what baptism is two pre requisites to start with. A pastor of a church would most likely be the third pre requisite.
I need to find the scriptures for this
I see your hypothetical as contradictory.
Unbelievers would not be members of a church.
Being baptized means you believe. An unbeliever would not believe in baptism. So,it would mean nothing to them to baptize someone.
And I don't think a believer would concede to be baptized by an unbeliever.
We don't need someone to baptize us. We can baptize ourselves if no one who is in the faith is available.
Unbelievers would not be members of a church.
Being baptized means you believe. An unbeliever would not believe in baptism. So,it would mean nothing to them to baptize someone.
And I don't think a believer would concede to be baptized by an unbeliever.
We don't need someone to baptize us. We can baptize ourselves if no one who is in the faith is available.
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Precious friend, @LeeLoving, there is Much Confusion about water baptism, which is Not for us,
Today, Under Grace, As God Only Has ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism In This Dispensation Of Grace!
Amen.
Today, Under Grace, As God Only Has ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism In This Dispensation Of Grace!
Amen.
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I seek the risen Jesus unto Father where new life is at in his risen Life given free of Charge
And his being Baptized by Jesus, was necessary
Seeing John said to Jesus, he needed Baptized by Jesus, and Jesus said John needed to Water Baptize him for now
Then in Acts 1: 5 we see the Holy Spirit Baptism about to happen and that did happen on Pentecost, Father here in Spirit and Truth to live in and through us, at least me thanks. I do not disagree with getting water Baptized as a good conscience towards God Father of in risen Son. Not to be in a Church building or of any denomination. Father's Church is not of this earth, the Church ids in us and works through us as in Hebrews 8 tells me
Thanks, I like your post
And his being Baptized by Jesus, was necessary
Seeing John said to Jesus, he needed Baptized by Jesus, and Jesus said John needed to Water Baptize him for now
Then in Acts 1: 5 we see the Holy Spirit Baptism about to happen and that did happen on Pentecost, Father here in Spirit and Truth to live in and through us, at least me thanks. I do not disagree with getting water Baptized as a good conscience towards God Father of in risen Son. Not to be in a Church building or of any denomination. Father's Church is not of this earth, the Church ids in us and works through us as in Hebrews 8 tells me
Thanks, I like your post
Hmm pffft....well we should first address there are three major interpretations here. First some hold that by referring to water Jesus was looking back to the baptism of John. In this case the water would symbolize purification and could be synonymous with the baptism of repentance. Related to this is the idea what water signifies spiritual cleansing in general rather then outward purification. John 15 John 17 and more.
A second option is that born of water refers to natural birth however if the Greek term kai is translated "even" the words water and spirit may be interpreted as symbolic equivalents. Morris stats ( yeah who?) in this case being born of water and the spirit will not differ greatly from bring born of the sprit. The third explanation has been that the passage refers to the right of Christian baptism and even baptismal regeneration. So the emphasis of the entire context however seems to be not water but on the Holy Sprit who brings about a new birth that enables men to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
I lean to the third myself.
A second option is that born of water refers to natural birth however if the Greek term kai is translated "even" the words water and spirit may be interpreted as symbolic equivalents. Morris stats ( yeah who?) in this case being born of water and the spirit will not differ greatly from bring born of the sprit. The third explanation has been that the passage refers to the right of Christian baptism and even baptismal regeneration. So the emphasis of the entire context however seems to be not water but on the Holy Sprit who brings about a new birth that enables men to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
I lean to the third myself.
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I have to respectfully disagree.
If your statement is factual, why did the Spirit give the order to Philip to join the Ethiopian's chariot, for the purpose of preaching the good news of Jesus, and carrying out water baptism?
Acts 8:29
And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.”
Acts 8:30
So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
Acts 8:35
Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.
Acts 8:36
And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
Acts 8:39
And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.
If water baptism is no longer for us, why didn't the Spirit, through Philip, tell the Ethiopian that water baptism was now obsolete?
Also, when Peter visited Cornelius, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word, causing Peter to declare:
Acts 10:47-48
“Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Surely that's two biblical examples of water baptism still being relevant?
In the case of the Ethiopian eunuch, belief in Jesus, preceding water baptism. And concerning the gentiles, the gift of the Holy Spirit poured out on them, preceding water baptism.
The baptism of John has been superseded by baptism in the name of Jesus, but immersion in water is still applicable.
If your statement is factual, why did the Spirit give the order to Philip to join the Ethiopian's chariot, for the purpose of preaching the good news of Jesus, and carrying out water baptism?
Acts 8:29
And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.”
Acts 8:30
So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
Acts 8:35
Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.
Acts 8:36
And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
Acts 8:39
And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.
If water baptism is no longer for us, why didn't the Spirit, through Philip, tell the Ethiopian that water baptism was now obsolete?
Also, when Peter visited Cornelius, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word, causing Peter to declare:
Acts 10:47-48
“Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Surely that's two biblical examples of water baptism still being relevant?
In the case of the Ethiopian eunuch, belief in Jesus, preceding water baptism. And concerning the gentiles, the gift of the Holy Spirit poured out on them, preceding water baptism.
The baptism of John has been superseded by baptism in the name of Jesus, but immersion in water is still applicable.
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