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hislastwalk
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I'm not saying you go to Hell for it. You just don't have a revelation of the power you have in Christ. The bible says it's revelation knowledge.
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I'm not saying you go to Hell for it. You just don't have a revelation of the power you have in Christ. The bible says it's revelation knowledge.
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olderisgood62
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"Faith healing" Yes it is possible, I'm living proof! A walking miracle. I know personally what Gods healing touch feels like.
Honestly though I must question how you came to believe you have the gift of healing. By your own statement you said it takes faith of the one being healed in order for the healing to take place. I have seen nothing in Gods word about animals possessing any kind of faith. I am not a theologian so I may have missed that. I would welcome verses showing otherwise. I believe you won't find any.
I am not trying to discourage you from believing you have the gift of healing. I would encourage you however to be make sure you base your belief on what you can prove scripturally.
Pauls "thorn", this is only speculation, but I believe the exact problem Paul dealt with was not told to us for a reason. It could have been something that anyone of us could have as well. When I read that I see Paul as having the same thorn I fight with. This makes it very personal. If Paul could accomplish the work God gave him dealing with that problem. What gives me the right to use the same problem as an excuse?
Honestly though I must question how you came to believe you have the gift of healing. By your own statement you said it takes faith of the one being healed in order for the healing to take place. I have seen nothing in Gods word about animals possessing any kind of faith. I am not a theologian so I may have missed that. I would welcome verses showing otherwise. I believe you won't find any.
I am not trying to discourage you from believing you have the gift of healing. I would encourage you however to be make sure you base your belief on what you can prove scripturally.
Pauls "thorn", this is only speculation, but I believe the exact problem Paul dealt with was not told to us for a reason. It could have been something that anyone of us could have as well. When I read that I see Paul as having the same thorn I fight with. This makes it very personal. If Paul could accomplish the work God gave him dealing with that problem. What gives me the right to use the same problem as an excuse?
I wasnt asked why I could not heal them. I was asked why werent they healed?
Like the last poster said...make sure you "healing" is within scripture.
People were healed in bible times so those who witnessed would BELIEVE. They had no or little faith.
When Jesus walked on water...what did he say? "oh ye of little faith"
Walking on water is a miracle. He did this to prove HIS power, not because of those who were faithful.
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AnandaHya
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hey its not directed at me but I'll ... answer anyways....
first God heals not people and no one will be COMPLETELY Healed until this comes to pass:
Revelation 21
4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
the select people being healed part? that made people mad when Jesus answered. He did NOT say it was lack of faith but that the healing was by GOD's will NOT men's wishes. here are the scriptures.
Luke 4
23 He said to them, “You will surely say this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum,[l] do also here in Your country.’” 24 Then He said, “Assuredly, I say to you, no prophet is accepted in his own country. 25 But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land; 26 but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath,[m] in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.”
28 So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29 and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff. 30 Then passing through the midst of them, He went His way.
If the purpose is not to Glorify GOD and bring people to repentance and forgiveness of their sins through the blood of Jesus, to tell them of His death and resurrection and ascension and spread the GOSPEL message then it is most likely a false sign and wonder sent to deceive people and people should heed Jesus warning:
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
not going to touch the last two questions....
lol there was a reason for me asking him, and i believe you see the reason behind it.
thanks for posting to my questions
Yep... its just like all the people that have met aliens and travelled with them omboard their spaceships to other planets. They have a lot of stories to tell but for some reason they do not have any proof that it really has happened.
I choose to doubt then.
Let me answer these questions for hislastwalk.
If they are strong believers they might believe they have been healed for a while, you know the placebo (or suger pill) effect. Sadly in all the studies done the effect don't last long. Just like other treatments with the placebo methods.
Yeah... it is strange that it can never be proven... And I mean... the catholic church will gladly make you a saint if you can do this repeated times!
I think you should tell your pastor to check up with reality. In ever major epedemic christians are as affected as anyone else.
Disease is something that affects our mortal flesh and it spreads and grows with or without God.
I think you should let your pastor Inject himself with the Aids virus and don't take any medications... If he was a strong believer he would be safe... right?
Strangley though... when it comes to this there is a lot of talk... but its about that.
Ok lets back up here for a minute. I am not in this thread to bash hislastwalk. I am asking honest questions as a Christian. The bible says to keep a watchful eye. I am not calling him false either.
Also, a miracle happens instantly. Not over time. You don't pray and pray and pray until a miracle happens. It HAPPENS.
A miracle is also a supernatural force from God that cannot be explain medically or scientifically, and it is clear that other forces are responsible for it.
I have heard people say the birth of a newborn baby is a miracle. No, it isn't a miracle. It is nature. The miracle of life created by God is a miracle that began in Genesis, but making a baby and delivering it it not a miracle.
Also, a miracle happens instantly. Not over time. You don't pray and pray and pray until a miracle happens. It HAPPENS.
A miracle is also a supernatural force from God that cannot be explain medically or scientifically, and it is clear that other forces are responsible for it.
I have heard people say the birth of a newborn baby is a miracle. No, it isn't a miracle. It is nature. The miracle of life created by God is a miracle that began in Genesis, but making a baby and delivering it it not a miracle.
I do belive in the power of GOD! But I am a sceptical... I mean that MIRACLES must be proven in some way - for example a limbless man has his limbs grown out in an unnatural way, a person that has been dead for days suddenly comes to life or a person walks on water (without any aid of a floating device).
So when a person goes online and tells stories that is either own experiences or hearsay I don't belive in them. But the thing I think is dangerous with what hislastwalk is sayin is that sickness is because you do not have enough faith. That is a dangerous idea that can harm or even kill other people and has happened at several occasions (for example: When Parents Call God Instead of the Doctor - TIME)
I do belive in the power of God but we are also beings of the flesh. If you caught fire you throw yourself in a pool to douse the flames, you do not pray. If it start to snow you go indoors, don't stay outside and hope that God will warm you with his love. If you don't eat you will die. If someone cuts of your head - no matter how much faith you have - you will die as well.
Your human body can't be kept alive only on faith. And that goes for diseases as well.
So when he claims these things I need to question them or else perhaps some person will cause the death of someone just because they use prayer or healing instead of taking them to the doctors.
And his claims that people with illnesses and disabilites have those becuase of their lack of faith... they are just terrible, faschist, thoughts.
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AnandaHya
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yes but he learns them from the Charismatic movement. that is why many have turned from Christianity because of the false beliefs many are taught.
I meet a young man who prayed with all his heart for his father to be healed and he died. Now he believes that either he isn't worthy of God's love or God isn't worthy of his.
All this based upon promises people claim are in the Bible and are NOT.
Jesus didn't heal the people in His hometown even though they asked Him too and they sought to stone Him.
Some people don't want GOD, they do NOT want a LORD and a savior.
they take the savior part but replace LORD with a genie in a bottle that grants all their wishes.
I meet a young man who prayed with all his heart for his father to be healed and he died. Now he believes that either he isn't worthy of God's love or God isn't worthy of his.
All this based upon promises people claim are in the Bible and are NOT.
Jesus didn't heal the people in His hometown even though they asked Him too and they sought to stone Him.
Some people don't want GOD, they do NOT want a LORD and a savior.
they take the savior part but replace LORD with a genie in a bottle that grants all their wishes.
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Kyouken01
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There is a lot to be addressed when it comes to healing and what not, and speaking to the problem is only a part of it. It seems like a lot of it hasn't been addressed in this thread.
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Kyouken01
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Ooh boy. I'm thinkin' I opened up a can of worms I should have kept closed; that comment wasn't meant to say that I'll explain it.
But since I said what I did, I should be prepared.
This is obvious, but I don't know all there is about healing, nor do I have all the answers about it.
Some of the things that haven't been addressed are belief and philosophy. Those two have been on my mind for a bit. Other things include what to do if we don't see results, etc. There is probably more.
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Kyouken01
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AnandaHya
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what distinction do you place between beliefs and philosophy?
and the conclusions people draw when results are NOT evident can be quite diverse, would you like to expand upon that thought?
and the conclusions people draw when results are NOT evident can be quite diverse, would you like to expand upon that thought?
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Kyouken01
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A philosophy is a way of thinking, while a belief is something someone has that they regard to be a fact about something, I guess. I think they go hand in hand. I also think that beliefs can heavily affect one's philosophy.
As far as what to do when one does not see results, well...
You're right; there are many conclusions one could draw. If there were something I know I wasn't doing right like violating scripture, well, I'd go fix that by doing whatever scripture I was violating says to do.
But in general, I think if one does not see results, be they immediate or even long term, they should keep believing. That's about as in depth I can go without addressing specific situations.
As far as what to do when one does not see results, well...
You're right; there are many conclusions one could draw. If there were something I know I wasn't doing right like violating scripture, well, I'd go fix that by doing whatever scripture I was violating says to do.
But in general, I think if one does not see results, be they immediate or even long term, they should keep believing. That's about as in depth I can go without addressing specific situations.
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AnandaHya
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my personal thoughts on the matter is do you have "believe" in God because of what He can give you or because you have FAITH?
Is your trust conditional upon getting what you want or because in your heart you KNOW God?
I think people should read the book of Job again and remember what the FALSE friends told Job when he was suffering physical illness, lose of his children, etc.
You will find many false teachers will quote the FALSE friends out of context and those who have not read the whole book won't realize that those guys were WRONG and gave BAD counsel to Job and God was MAD at them for they did not represent HIM justly.
again I say it is not individuals that heal but GOD. GOD has a plan and a purpose, we are to learn it and follow His will. Miracles do not save souls, they are just a temporary bandaid and unless the root problem of sin is healed by bringing people to godly sorrow, repentance and faith in JEsus for the forgivenness of sin, it is nothing more then casting out a demon to make room for seven more because the house is found empty.
Is your trust conditional upon getting what you want or because in your heart you KNOW God?
I think people should read the book of Job again and remember what the FALSE friends told Job when he was suffering physical illness, lose of his children, etc.
You will find many false teachers will quote the FALSE friends out of context and those who have not read the whole book won't realize that those guys were WRONG and gave BAD counsel to Job and God was MAD at them for they did not represent HIM justly.
again I say it is not individuals that heal but GOD. GOD has a plan and a purpose, we are to learn it and follow His will. Miracles do not save souls, they are just a temporary bandaid and unless the root problem of sin is healed by bringing people to godly sorrow, repentance and faith in JEsus for the forgivenness of sin, it is nothing more then casting out a demon to make room for seven more because the house is found empty.
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