Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Dan_473]

To my knowledge only Jesus is the way to salvation. The only exception is if they never heard about Jesus.

Exactly! Have Muslims heard? God knows!

Seeking God but not accept Jesus is not save.

Right, unless the person hasn't heard.

You believe Christian is in the plan of salvation don't you?

Yes

Than you believe Muslim is in the plan of salvation

Well, maybe better to say that I can understand what the Catholics are getting at, I think.

What is the different?

Christians believe in Jesus, while Muslims do not.

You believe mean both not automatically save

Not sure if I understand what you're saying, but it is true that being in the plan of salvation is not the same as being automatically saved!

"People who acknowledge a Creator are in the plan of salvation"
Is not the same as
"People who acknowledge a Creator are saved".

 

[Dan_473]

And because Muslim attack the very foundation of Christianity ( salvation happen because Jesus die on the cross) so Muslim is more danger then Hindu.

It doesn't make any different, Muslim believe one God or not, Muslim attack the very mercy god act, die on the cross to buy our pardon.

Whether or not Islam is more dangerous than Hinduism is a matter of opinion, imo.

It looks to me like they both have some things they are right about, some things they are wrong about.

I don't think Hindus have any real problem with the idea of Jesus being sent by God, dying on the cross, and coming back to life. But they might also go on to say that Jesus was an incarnation of Krishna. More or less dangerous? Who can say?

 

[Jackson123]

To worship him in spirit and in truth, for sure!

But we may wish to notice what Paul says here
Acts 17: 23 ...an altar with this inscription: 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.'
Paul basically goes on to say that they are on the right track, but they need some corrections here and there. But the Athenians of course, had many other idols around in that area.

We can see, too, that the Samaritans were worshiping both the Lord and other gods as well.

Did Paul say you are in the plan of salvation because you worship unknown God?

 

[Jackson123]

Of course God is the judge, but I believe this is a clue
Romans 2: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, eternal life.

So you believe Muslim that ever heard about Jesus and reject not in the plan of salvation?

Lg say Muslim in the plan of salvation because acknowledge the creator.

Muslim mean both they ever or never heard jesus

 

[Jackson123]

True! And for those who have never heard of Jesus?
Possibly this will apply
Romans 2: 6 (God) "will pay back to everyone according to their works:" 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, eternal life.

Yep, so the statement Muslim (regardless ever or never heard Jesus) in the plan of salvation us unbiblical

 

[Jackson123]

"People who acknowledge a Creator are in the plan of salvation"
Is not the same as
"People who acknowledge a Creator are saved".

Jesus is the creator, Muslim not acknowledge Jesus as creator

So Muslim not acknowledge the creator.

 

[Jackson123]

Whether or not Islam is more dangerous than Hinduism is a matter of opinion, imo.

It looks to me like they both have some things they are right about, some things they are wrong about.

I don't think Hindus have any real problem with the idea of Jesus being sent by God, dying on the cross, and coming back to life. But they might also go on to say that Jesus was an incarnation of Krishna. More or less dangerous? Who can say?

Dangerous because attack the very foundation of salvation doctrine, Jesus die to buy our pardon

How you say Muslim worship Christian god?

 

[southie]

[QUOTE="Roughsoul1991, post: 4195600, member: 245751"] Where do they differ and why?

The Catholic Church rejects the Five Solas of the Protestants and that sums up the difference (as noted in Theopedia):

The Five Solas are five Latin phrases (or slogans) that emerged from the Protestant Reformation intended to summarize the Reformers' basic theological principles in contrast to certain teachings of the Roman Catholic Church of the day. "Sola" is Latin meaning "alone" or "only" and the corresponding phrases are:

• Sola Fide, by faith alone.
• Sola Scriptura, by Scripture alone.
• Solus Christus, through Christ alone.
• Sola Gratia, by grace alone.
• Soli Deo Gloria, glory to God alone.

While Catholicism leads to spiritual confusion, only God knows how many Catholics are truly saved. People can be saved in spite of their denominations.

Respect practicing Catholics and show them the love of Christ.

At the same expose the heresies of the clerical hierarchy and the institutional Church of Rome through Scripture.[/QUOTE]
Please show me in scripture the above said heresies.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Please show me in scripture the above said heresies.

That could fill a book. Take the heresy of Purgatory. You will not even find such a term in the Bible. Take the heresy of the veneration of Mary. You will find absolutely no such thing in the New Testament. What is more serious is how the Gospel has been controverted and opposed. You can study the Council of Trent (still valid for the RCC) and see that all their canons oppose the Gospel.

 

[crossnote]

So Muslim in the plan of salvation not because never heard Jesus, but profess abraham faith.

If they professed the Abrahamic faith, then they would believe the Promised Seed went to Abraham through Isaac to Jacob...not to Ishmael and his descendents. They would be disqualifying themselves as being Muslim if they held the Promise went to Isaac and then Jacob.

 

[southie]

That could fill a book. Take the heresy of Purgatory. You will not even find such a term in the Bible. Take the heresy of the veneration of Mary. You will find absolutely no such thing in the New Testament. What is more serious is how the Gospel has been controverted and opposed. You can study the Council of Trent (still valid for the RCC) and see that all their canons oppose the Gospel.

 

[chanchuinchoy]

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You think man's law can dictate God's? The apostle Paul spent time in prison for his beliefs, was his conversion then null and void?

I am speaking of islamic laws perspective. Its different. A muslim cannot convert, they must remain in islam religion even to the extend of you marry a muslim girl or man, your religion is islam. You may say the islamic law is autocratic. No muslim would dare to convert because they will be heavily fined or even jailed in islam countries.

Islam is a religion and muslim is the follower of that religion.

 

[chanchuinchoy]

I don't think Hindus have any real problem with the idea of Jesus being sent by God, dying on the cross, and coming back to life. But they might also go on to say that Jesus was an incarnation of Krishna. More or less dangerous? Who can say?

All religions that exist today or long ago, do not believe in Jesus as Messiah otherwise they would be Christians already.

 

[southie]

2Maccabees 12:39-46 I know youse guys is gonna tell me This book was ripped out of the reformers version of the bible, even though many protestants still value its historical value. funny to me how it lasted in our Bible for a 20 centuries. The Jews prayed for their dead why would they do that. As far as our veneration of Mary goes if it is good enough for the archangel Gabriel Luke1:26-55 its good enough for me.

 

[Jackson123]

If they professed the Abrahamic faith, then they would believe the Promised Seed went to Abraham through Isaac to Jacob...not to Ishmael and his descendents. They would be disqualifying themselves as being Muslim if they held the Promise went to Isaac and then Jacob.

Yep, they not hold abraham faith and catholic know it
Catholic deliberately mislead Muslim for political reason

Catholic work for lucifer to create one world religion to support one world government, the antichrist government

Look ccc 816

816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."

The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."

Instead of say no salvation apart from Jesus, catholic say no salvation apart from catholic

Try to replace Jesus with catholic church

 

[HWatts]

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I am speaking of islamic laws perspective. Its different. A muslim cannot convert, they must remain in islam religion even to the extend of you marry a muslim girl or man, your religion is islam. You may say the islamic law is autocratic. No muslim would dare to convert because they will be heavily fined or even jailed in islam countries.

Islam is a religion and muslim is the follower of that religion.

Excuse me, I thought we were discussing what the bible has to say about it. But what is different? Paul was imprisoned for his conversion and teaching by Rome (and him a citizen). Daniel in Persia comes to mind - thrown to lions because he refused to follow man's law rather than God's. Think they had easy decisions? Me, neither. I hope I never have to make such a choice... it is sorrowful that the muslim finds himself in such a position if convicted of Christ.

 

[HWatts]

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I am speaking of islamic laws perspective. Its different. A muslim cannot convert, they must remain in islam religion even to the extend of you marry a muslim girl or man, your religion is islam. You may say the islamic law is autocratic. No muslim would dare to convert because they will be heavily fined or even jailed in islam countries.

Islam is a religion and muslim is the follower of that religion.

Hmmm... That was a copy-and-paste of the comment to which I replied.

You're not seriously discussing anything, just stirring the pot in such a flurry you make such a mistake. You, sir, are wasting my time. Goodbye.

 

[Nehemiah6]

the Jews prayed for their dead why would they do that.

Spiritual blindness. The Jews had many false ideas. By the same token, they did not talk about an imaginary Purgatory. Nor indulgences. Nor a cash cow.

 

[Dan_473]

Did Paul say you are in the plan of salvation because you worship unknown God?

No. He does imply, though, that it is good to seek God based on whatever revelation a person has
Acts 17: 26 He made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the surface of the earth, having determined appointed seasons, and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 that they should seek the Lord, if perhaps they might reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Also
Acts 14: 17 Yet he didn't leave himself without witness, in that he did good and gave you rains from the sky and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness."

And Paul implies that the Athenians were making progress in seeking God based on the Revelation that they had.

 

[Jackson123]

No. He does imply, though, that it is good to seek God based on whatever revelation a person has
Acts 17: 26 He made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the surface of the earth, having determined appointed seasons, and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 that they should seek the Lord, if perhaps they might reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Also
Acts 14: 17 Yet he didn't leave himself without witness, in that he did good and gave you rains from the sky and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness."

And Paul implies that the Athenians were making progress in seeking God based on the Revelation that they had.

Non of those verse say athenians in the plan of salvation. Yes God give rain to every body, not only to Muslim or athenians but it not imply Muslim in the plan of salvation