CEO's pay

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By Rebecca Leber on Sep 24, 2012 at 9:37 am
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CEO pay has increased 725 percent over three decades, while worker pay has essentially remained flat. Corporations argue that the excessive compensation is necessary to retain top talent, but a new study blows a hole in this highly-improbable theory:
It is increasingly apparent that the pay awarded to chief executives is becoming profoundly detached from not just the pay of the average worker, but also from the companies they run. Offsetting the external focus, which is so heavily relied upon today, with internal metrics and internal benchmarking may help to curb the persistent escalation. We hope that if directors are no longer constrained by notions of “competitive” pay, which are driven by the false belief that CEOs are interchangeable, they may have the space to rationalize the upward spiraling pay ratchet and deliver what is more shareholder acceptable compensation.
Company boards rely on a practice where they use loosely defined “peer groups” of supposedly similar companies to set the CEO’s compensation. In reality, few CEOs leave one company for another: Of 1,800 CEO successions between 1993-2005, less than 2 percent had held the position at a competing firm. Their skills, highly specific to the company, are not easily transferrable.
Another issue is the “peer groups” companies use is so loosely defined that it includes firms that are much larger or aren’t in the same industry, much less rivals. In other words, the CEO of IBM is unlikely to jump to AT&T, Ford or Pfizer, even though those companies’ CEOs are included in IBM’s peer group.
A recent example may include Best Buy, which offered its new CEO a three-year compensation package of $32 million, after laying off 2,400 employees this summer. A company spokeswoman defended CEO Hubert Joly’s pay as “in-line with best practice for Fortune 50 companies,” and “is squarely in the mid-range for a CEO of a company the size of Best Buy.”
It’s a false paradox,,” study co-author Elson told the New York Times. “The peer group is based on the theory of transferability of talent. But we found that C.E.O. skills are very firm-specific. C.E.O.’s don’t move very often, but when they do, they’re flops.”


CEO's pay scale is entirely separated from the performance of its stock prices and even from the companies performance on just about every other standard. The interlocking boards of directors is a club whereby those who are "in" stay in and those "out" never get the keys to the washroom.
 
When you start multiple threads a day that no one answers, that's a good indication you're starting more threads than we care to see from you.
 
When you start multiple threads a day that no one answers, that's a good indication you're starting more threads than we care to see from you.

It could be, or it could be that the OP's statement is true, and stated so well that there's nothing to add.

As is the case in this one.

Often I just look at the "control panel" and respond to threads I've already been commenting in. I don't look at new threads every day. I suspect I'm not the only one who does that.
 
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." -1st John 2:15

I don`t know, but this all just sounds like something God probably doesn`t really care about. So neither do I.

It reaks of the world, and has no bearing on the treasures that I am storing up for heaven.

Blessings though. ;)

 
CEO pay is high so the CEO does not cheat the company when approving contracts or when faced by other temptations. That is all.

In short, you cannot bribe a company official making millions a year.


By contrast, in foreign countries the accepted and normal big business model is corrruption, kick-backs, putting your relatives on the payroll, steering contracts, etc. Which is why foreign big businesses are usually uncompetitive with American businesses.

High pay for the CEO is the only business practice over time that has proved successful in keeping honest people honest. So folks can study this, rail against it, call it unfair (yes it is unfair), and all sorts of names, but it will not go away.

Laying off 2400 workers is a business decision with little risk. If you are wrong, there are 2400 more people out there to hire. One CEO in one day can destroy a business.
 
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." -1st John 2:15

I don`t know, but this all just sounds like something God probably doesn`t really care about. So neither do I.

It reaks of the world, and has no bearing on the treasures that I am storing up for heaven.

Blessings though. ;)


I think God does care when the poor are made poorer and the rich get richer by taking advantage of the poor. I could be wrong, but the God about whom I read in the Bible would care very deeply, and spent a lot of time talking about it. A lot more time, in fact, talking about economic justice than he spent talking about sexual purity. If we, as Christians, are to be working on the things God cares about, it seems to me we should be spending a lot more time helping the poor, and a lot less time worried about what people may or may not be doing in their bedrooms.
 
CEO pay is high so the CEO does not cheat the company when approving contracts or when faced by other temptations. That is all.
If the only thing stopping a CEO from embezzlement is a high pay, he needs to be fired, and someone else brought in. Seriously. You want someone in charge of your widget-making business that cares more about money than he does about widgets? Sorry, that pig will NOT fly.

By contrast, in foreign countries the accepted and normal big business model is corrruption, kick-backs, putting your relatives on the payroll, steering contracts, etc. Which is why foreign big businesses are usually uncompetitive with American businesses.
In some foreign countries' companies, as in some US companies, kick-backs, nepotism, blind contracts and other forms of corruption are common. If you want to use that as an argument in favor of the disgustingly high CEO wages in this and other countries, you would have to show that such corruption does not happen in companies where CEOs earn higher income, but it does happen when the CEO wage is comparatively low. This is not the case.

In Japan, the practices you describe are actually quite low, and when practiced it's by companies with strong American/Western influences. Japan has a cap on CEO salaries based on the average hourly salary of the corporation.

In the US, companies with extremely high-paid CEOs have been caught making such deals that you describe. Looks like the high pay isn't such a deterrent to bad behavior after all.

High pay for the CEO is the only business practice over time that has proved successful in keeping honest people honest. So folks can study this, rail against it, call it unfair (yes it is unfair), and all sorts of names, but it will not go away.
Except for the fact that it's not true. It's a nice lie put out there by the 1% to keep the rest of us in line and quiet. "Eat your gruel and shut up: This is the way it is, and you're poor for your own good," they tell us. And most of us just believe it and eat our gruel.

Psst. The emperor has no clothes.

I say that as a 1%er. (Well, I'm probably more like 10%, not quite 1%, but still.) As someone from the inside looking out (or down as the case may be). Yes, we rich are screwing the rest of the country, and it's past time to stop. Warren Buffet is not the only one who recognizes it and is not willing to mooch off the government teet any more.
 
I think God does care when the poor are made poorer and the rich get richer by taking advantage of the poor. I could be wrong, but the God about whom I read in the Bible would care very deeply, and spent a lot of time talking about it. A lot more time, in fact, talking about economic justice than he spent talking about sexual purity. If we, as Christians, are to be working on the things God cares about, it seems to me we should be spending a lot more time helping the poor, and a lot less time worried about what people may or may not be doing in their bedrooms.

Sure. I agree, totally.
The OP is only sharing facts on the CEO's Pay.
 
Sure. I agree, totally.
The OP is only sharing facts on the CEO's Pay.

I agree with the OP. You, and celeste, and I (and a very few others here -- Nautilus, and if I've forgotten anyone please forgive me) are a few lone voices in this site who seem to feel that the Republican party does not represent Jesus' teachings.

I'm not sure if any of us (you, celeste, nautilus, or anyone else) necessarily accepts any political party as being representative of Jesus' teachings. I know that, while the Democratic Party's economic platforms are more in line with Jesus' teachings, the party as a whole is still not particularly "Christian." I can't speak for anyone else, and I see that you are Canadian, so you'd have different parties altogether.
 
I hope the thread flooding is okay, someone who was doing it in the news forum was banned. But the ban may have been unrelated, I realize.

GrungeDiva: Please throw me in the group of people who thinks (knows) that the Republican party does not represent Jesus' teachings. :) By the way, did Buffet just change his mind about not mooching off the government? This link shows his thieving from the commoners side:

Warren Buffet
 
I hope the thread flooding is okay, someone who was doing it in the news forum was banned. But the ban may have been unrelated, I realize.
I have to admit, I don't know what "thread flooding" is.

GrungeDiva: Please throw me in the group of people who thinks (knows) that the Republican party does not represent Jesus' teachings.
Gladly, and welcome :)

BTW, out of curiosity (and you don't have to answer if you don't want to), with what party do you ally yourself, and/or for whom will you be voting in November?

I tend to go Democrat most of the time, but I will probably be voting either 3rd party or fill-in for President this year. If I lived in one of the swing states, I'd probably vote for Obama, the "lesser of evils" thing, but in Oregon I have a little luxury.

(Not that you asked, but since I'm asking, it's only fair that I share my own answers.)
 
Rich people don't create jobs, consumers do.

I have to say, that is one of the best simplifications of a complex theory I've ever heard. You've summed up the entire economic theory in seven words. Kudos to you!
 
I have to admit, I don't know what "thread flooding" is.

BTW, out of curiosity (and you don't have to answer if you don't want to), with what party do you ally yourself, and/or for whom will you be voting in November?


Flooding is merely flooding a forum with repeated threads of a similar nature.

I ally myself with no party, and will probably not vote for president this year. I will go and vote on a pending constitutional referendum, God willing, but I doubt I'll vote for president.