CESSATIONISM AND HEALING
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he was speaking of truth. If you remember the women with an issue of blood went to many doctors and spent all she had. Did Jesus say to her " why did you go to the doctor"? No, he healed her because of her faith. Luke was Doctor and still practiced as a Christian and wrote two books of the Bible. Your point is unfounded and unbiblical.
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That is the way I also was thinking of . I am offering another approach I think it comes to the same conclusion
I think the picture of foot washing indicates the gospel of Christ is applied. The gospel a picture of suffering .
In our persecution we suffer and plant the seed in a hope Christ will be formed in others . Some work gets burnt up. Not all hear the gospel and believe God. .But our suffering does not add to his .That would make his grace without effect.
The work of sufferings is in respect to the Father and Son working as one. It is never attributed to the creature.
Those who have "no faith" and walk after the flesh, the pagan foundation of natural man . Out of sight out of mind. They look to satisfy the things of the flesh as some sort of self edifying work. The same idea a a sign gift not to be confused with a spiritual gift (unseen)
Not singling out Catholics but thy do make a good example of those who have no faith as it is written.
Catholiscim does it boldly . Any suffering no matter how minor is even a headache is attributed to some unknown (purgatory) account kept by a Queen of heaven. As never paid in full. Only the Queen received the fullness of grace.
Making all things written in the law and prophets without effect. (sola scriptura)
For instance Colossians informs us of those who have "no faith" . Catholisicim like many doctrines turn it as a understanding upside down as inspired from Rome. And say the verse below supports their idea of no faith needed just believe the oral traditions as a law of their fathers . Then they can continue to attribute their own self edifying sufferings to the endless doctrine of purgatory. No ones knows how much sufferings they did have up till there last breath and not end of sufferings. No goal of faith, a new body. .
Christians received the end of their new born again faith from the beginning.
Because the father of lies is not subject to the gospel . He has no faith. No vision . No knowledge.
Until the last day he will be trying to murder Christians with his lies .Not knowing who or what the Son of man is. But rather just blindly(no faith) kill them all. This is even after Jesus left. The arrows of the wicked ones are meant for Jesus even today . He hurls those poison arrows at those who follow after Christ, accusing them day and night .
Again Catholiscim say purgatory is the fill up station.
Colossians 1:23-25 King James Version (KJV) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
I think the picture of foot washing indicates the gospel of Christ is applied. The gospel a picture of suffering .
In our persecution we suffer and plant the seed in a hope Christ will be formed in others . Some work gets burnt up. Not all hear the gospel and believe God. .But our suffering does not add to his .That would make his grace without effect.
The work of sufferings is in respect to the Father and Son working as one. It is never attributed to the creature.
Those who have "no faith" and walk after the flesh, the pagan foundation of natural man . Out of sight out of mind. They look to satisfy the things of the flesh as some sort of self edifying work. The same idea a a sign gift not to be confused with a spiritual gift (unseen)
Not singling out Catholics but thy do make a good example of those who have no faith as it is written.
Catholiscim does it boldly . Any suffering no matter how minor is even a headache is attributed to some unknown (purgatory) account kept by a Queen of heaven. As never paid in full. Only the Queen received the fullness of grace.
Making all things written in the law and prophets without effect. (sola scriptura)
For instance Colossians informs us of those who have "no faith" . Catholisicim like many doctrines turn it as a understanding upside down as inspired from Rome. And say the verse below supports their idea of no faith needed just believe the oral traditions as a law of their fathers . Then they can continue to attribute their own self edifying sufferings to the endless doctrine of purgatory. No ones knows how much sufferings they did have up till there last breath and not end of sufferings. No goal of faith, a new body. .
Christians received the end of their new born again faith from the beginning.
Because the father of lies is not subject to the gospel . He has no faith. No vision . No knowledge.
Until the last day he will be trying to murder Christians with his lies .Not knowing who or what the Son of man is. But rather just blindly(no faith) kill them all. This is even after Jesus left. The arrows of the wicked ones are meant for Jesus even today . He hurls those poison arrows at those who follow after Christ, accusing them day and night .
Again Catholiscim say purgatory is the fill up station.
Colossians 1:23-25 King James Version (KJV) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Actually sir, it is you who were off topic. Once again, I will state what I said when you responded to my post and digressed and gave more information than what was asked....I asked you to read Hebrews...that in there you will see that sufferings are NOT, as you claimed...ungodly...
Not that GOD desires us to suffer, but we will suffer...and in this...in these seasons of suffering, there is ONE THING that we need to do sir...and that is to keep our eyes on our LORD...
You are a hindrance to that...
Not that GOD desires us to suffer, but we will suffer...and in this...in these seasons of suffering, there is ONE THING that we need to do sir...and that is to keep our eyes on our LORD...
You are a hindrance to that...
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That is a false statement. And the two "by His stripes" healing are misused out of the 2 contexts which indicate spiritual healing not physical healing.
'and for your further understanding in relation to the others you judged wrongly:
Hebrews-- ETRSF (10 pgs.) -- https://app.box.com/s/daj6d9nwwwj8ix7o2wrinu90puwdydfp
Acts in ERTSF with questions (42 pgs.)-- https://app.box.com/s/8lqg6hhbhtdob6tpkf988fbfie2fargq
'and for your further understanding in relation to the others you judged wrongly:
Hebrews-- ETRSF (10 pgs.) -- https://app.box.com/s/daj6d9nwwwj8ix7o2wrinu90puwdydfp
Acts in ERTSF with questions (42 pgs.)-- https://app.box.com/s/8lqg6hhbhtdob6tpkf988fbfie2fargq
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The wage of sin is still death, all die.
I think I understand where you are coming from. We must be careful how we hear. The treasure of His Spirit that does work in those who have His faith in them not of them
No power is attributed to dead flesh.
Those who have no faith, they create a oral tradition and start spreading lies. They even have Peter walking on water as if the work was in respect to the corrupted flesh of Peter and not the unseen power of the gospel called faith.
We know the commandment "Come" enabled Peter to do the will . Like Lazarus "rise" words of life words of Spirit .
It, the faith of Christ in them worked to both to will and do the good pleasure of God. When the Spirit of Christ directed the storm Peter got his eyes off Jesus and began to sink. Peter from my experiences is the best example . He got his eyes of Jesus for different reasons (a serial denier) . Having just been reinstated having repented . Peter hearing the gospel (spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God) and denying Christ again. Follow me. And rather then following Jesus Peter went of to town. saying John would not die. (your kind of idea )
He became jealous of John and again started as oral tradition . Got his eyes off Jesus. Jesus had to work to dismiss the lying oral tradition of men . He informs us that if every time Christ did the work of expose the lies of the god of this world and wrote them down .The whole world would fall short of the space needed . We have the word of God. one warning you would think would be enough.
The power of faith is not of us . Nobody is walking on water.
This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. John 21: 19-25
The Catholics who also glory in the flesh (no faith use that to support .turning things upside down.
It is why they chose Peter and not John to usurp the authroity of our father in heaven. Jesus as the Son of man forgave Peter of his blasphemy serval times . That 33 year window closed when Jesus disappeared. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost today cannot be forgiven
Are you Catholic?
I think I understand where you are coming from. We must be careful how we hear. The treasure of His Spirit that does work in those who have His faith in them not of them
No power is attributed to dead flesh.
Those who have no faith, they create a oral tradition and start spreading lies. They even have Peter walking on water as if the work was in respect to the corrupted flesh of Peter and not the unseen power of the gospel called faith.
We know the commandment "Come" enabled Peter to do the will . Like Lazarus "rise" words of life words of Spirit .
It, the faith of Christ in them worked to both to will and do the good pleasure of God. When the Spirit of Christ directed the storm Peter got his eyes off Jesus and began to sink. Peter from my experiences is the best example . He got his eyes of Jesus for different reasons (a serial denier) . Having just been reinstated having repented . Peter hearing the gospel (spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God) and denying Christ again. Follow me. And rather then following Jesus Peter went of to town. saying John would not die. (your kind of idea )
He became jealous of John and again started as oral tradition . Got his eyes off Jesus. Jesus had to work to dismiss the lying oral tradition of men . He informs us that if every time Christ did the work of expose the lies of the god of this world and wrote them down .The whole world would fall short of the space needed . We have the word of God. one warning you would think would be enough.
The power of faith is not of us . Nobody is walking on water.
This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. John 21: 19-25
The Catholics who also glory in the flesh (no faith use that to support .turning things upside down.
It is why they chose Peter and not John to usurp the authroity of our father in heaven. Jesus as the Son of man forgave Peter of his blasphemy serval times . That 33 year window closed when Jesus disappeared. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost today cannot be forgiven
Are you Catholic?