well thanks re being your sister in Christ but please understand we truly disagree on the infilling of the Holy Spirit
That we do disagree on, sister. I say whenever a believer receives another infilling, that is not the Holy Spirit.
there are examples in scripture where people were saved and received the gift of speaking in tongues on a separate occasion
I can say definitely without a doubt, you are not reading those scripture right.
I agree about departing from the faith...frankly I submitted to you my own concern of people spreading the lie that Jesus and Paul were somehow not on the same page
this is all over the internet, but it is also refuted all over the internet so let God judge what is in people's hearts
I am aware of it. Paul & Jesus spoke the same thing. There is only one gospel. It does not seem to be the current topic in this forum, but then again, I do not peruse all the threads.
I submit to you that yes there are fake tongues but there are real tongues
plenty of seducing spirits to go around and doctrines of devils, but I certainly do not believe speaking in tongues is one of them even though the actions of some are not in accordance with biblical instructions regarding the use of tongues
I believe this the only Biblical proof of a supernatural tongue which is vain & profane babbling nonsense before Pentecost.
Isaiah 8:[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
I do pray in tongues and have found it to be very valuable.
How? When you can't know if you are praying in tongues or speaking in tongues for self edification, how can you find it to be valuable?
I have never acted unseemingly and I cannot approve of those who do. I have heard false interpretations and seen people doing weird things. I cannot account for them...only myself but I am positive I am not alone and not even alone in this forum with regards to that
Well, John 16:13 testifies that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself, but speaks what He hears, and so it is from that verse found in all Bibles that proves the Holy Spirit cannot use tongues to utter His own intercessions. A few translations has it right as KJV is one of them that Romans 8:26 testify that even His groanings cannot be uttered; hence no sound.
But because of the majority modern Bibles of Romans 8:26-27, no matter that it does go against John 16:13 in that Bible, tongue speakers glosses over John 16:13 as if God did not really say that, and believe Romans 8:26-27 that implies sounds are being made when the Holy Spirit gives His intercessions Himself. So I blame the majority of modern Bibles today for why tongue speakers are misled into believing that they can pray in tongues. As for 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, they pull that out of context when Paul was saying that whenever a person speak in tongues, that person was to pray that another interprets because Paul stated that unless he as a tongue speaker understood that tongue as interpreted, it is unfruitful to himself. Therefore tongues cannot be used privately since it cannot benefit Paul unless interpreted by another and neither can it benefit you as far as the Bible says.
This is about the issue of tongues for private use just as you took a stand against those who teach that Jesus & Paul are not on the same page.
there are many itching ears and many false teachers to scratch them and some of those false teachers sound very knowledgeable and knowing, but when you have someone like MacArthur say everyone who speaks in tongues does so by a demonic spirit, I say it's time to sit up and ask questions of whether or not he is actually speaking from the spirit of God
I certainly do not think he is. and frankly, while some are genuine in their doubt, some will be judged by what they say because their hearts are hard and they are proud and unhearing (don't take that personal...I don't mean you)
I will not take that personally even though I am deaf in my left ear and have tinnitus in my right ear. I know that Jesus pointed out that there will be some that will not hear. It may be because they are unwilling to set aside their personal beliefs to weigh every scripture in proving or reproving the teaching or practice in the church, even in regards to tongues.
I can only ask all tongue speakers to one day set aside their belief and practice of tongues, go before that throne of grace and pray normally for confirmation on the tongue they are using if it be of Him or not. Only God can cause the increase.
Thank you for sharing, sister, but do know I disagree with the way tongues have been gained and used in the assembly disorderly, also for private use. They testify that 1 Corinthians 14:28 implies tongues being used privately, but Paul says let 2 or 3 speak in tongues and another interpret as the same format is for prophesying where 2 or 3 prophecy, and another judged. There can be no private use of tongues in the assembly when any of that officiated is going on. It would be distracting and confusion which God is not the author of.