Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....
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He could not break the Law of Moses since He is the one who gave it in the first place! Imagine God breaking His own laws. His enemies claimed that He was breaking their interpretation of the Law, but Christ was actually setting them straight. Jesus of Nazareth was strictly under the Law, and He is the only one who did not break it.
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Do you understand circumcision? That it predates the Sinaitic Covenant and the giving of the Law? That it is a sign of the covenant of grace thru faith first exemplified in Gen 17:10?
Well.....Christians are not obliged to adhere to that ritually prescribed precedent either.
The point is: how does one "follow the Law" if you stumble on the foremost incipient and seminal command?
This is of course pre-Sinai....
Exo 12:43
And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
Exo 12:44
But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
Equivocate over this if you must. But beware of making yourself out to be an heretic.
Gal 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2
Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3
For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Well.....Christians are not obliged to adhere to that ritually prescribed precedent either.
The point is: how does one "follow the Law" if you stumble on the foremost incipient and seminal command?
This is of course pre-Sinai....
Exo 12:43
And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
Exo 12:44
But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
Equivocate over this if you must. But beware of making yourself out to be an heretic.
Gal 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2
Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3
For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Who needs to do this when you are "keeping the law"?
Luk 18:13
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I very much doubt law-keepers are included in this lot.
Mat 5:1
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
So good luck and happy landings with your "law keeping".
Heb 10:28
Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Luk 18:13
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I very much doubt law-keepers are included in this lot.
Mat 5:1
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
So good luck and happy landings with your "law keeping".
Heb 10:28
Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
The law of Christ is written on our heart and mind, and is part of our inner man, the new creation in Christ, the born again new nature.
With the Spirit empowering us to walk according to the Spirit, rather than the works of the flesh.
The works of the flesh are listed but are not exhaustive.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
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Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Men who dress as women to have sexual relations with other men are homosexuals and will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Do you understand what the term “will not inherit the kingdom of God” means?
JPT
With the Spirit empowering us to walk according to the Spirit, rather than the works of the flesh.
The works of the flesh are listed but are not exhaustive.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
Again
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Men who dress as women to have sexual relations with other men are homosexuals and will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Do you understand what the term “will not inherit the kingdom of God” means?
JPT
"The Law" that Jesus spoke about was all about Him. And fulfilling it also meant fulfilling the utterances of the prophets who spoke about Him, beyond merely keeping all of the commands perfectly.
At any rate, your demands that we keep "the LAW" without a Temple, well that is gonna be pretty tough on the participant. In terms of condemnation. Not to mention the fact that we need not be ritually circumcised. We are gonna get cut off from the congregation instantly.
So again....explain what LAW you refer to. Cuz I just do not see how anybody is going to follow that form of worship that Christ purposefully destroyed so long ago.
At any rate, your demands that we keep "the LAW" without a Temple, well that is gonna be pretty tough on the participant. In terms of condemnation. Not to mention the fact that we need not be ritually circumcised. We are gonna get cut off from the congregation instantly.
So again....explain what LAW you refer to. Cuz I just do not see how anybody is going to follow that form of worship that Christ purposefully destroyed so long ago.
It's not Scriptural. The sceptre departed from Judah in AD 6-7 effectively ending the theocracy, the kingdom of Judah, and removing by force their right to enforce certain laws. This did not affect most laws, for example, the commandments pertaining to the Lord's Passover.
No. I'm not. The word "wine" can mean either the non-fermented grape juice or the fermented kind. I have good reason to believe that Paul was referring to the non-fermented kind.
No I'm not handling serpents. Though men frequently do. What's your point?
Ok. I don't agree but I respect your opinion.
No. I'm not. The word "wine" can mean either the non-fermented grape juice or the fermented kind. I have good reason to believe that Paul was referring to the non-fermented kind.
No I'm not handling serpents. Though men frequently do. What's your point?
Ok. I don't agree but I respect your opinion.
Respectfully, I ask that you discontinue the use of loaded statements. They are not conducive to discussion.
You're quite right. According to Mat 5:17-20 "fulfilling" the law would necessarily also mean fulfilling the "utterances of the prophets". There are hundreds of prophecies as yet unfulfilled. He will fulfill them but He hasn't done so yet. Thus the jots and tittles remain.
No-temple does not equal no-salvation, since salvation has always been by Faith. Daniel was not condemned for lack of obedience to the ordinances when he was captive in Babylon. He was ever mindful of them though (Dan 9:21).
According to Moses and to Paul you do need to be circumcised.
Your assertion that Christ came to destroy the Law and the prophets has yet to be demonstrated.
You're quite right. According to Mat 5:17-20 "fulfilling" the law would necessarily also mean fulfilling the "utterances of the prophets". There are hundreds of prophecies as yet unfulfilled. He will fulfill them but He hasn't done so yet. Thus the jots and tittles remain.
No-temple does not equal no-salvation, since salvation has always been by Faith. Daniel was not condemned for lack of obedience to the ordinances when he was captive in Babylon. He was ever mindful of them though (Dan 9:21).
According to Moses and to Paul you do need to be circumcised.
Your assertion that Christ came to destroy the Law and the prophets has yet to be demonstrated.
Fulfill - It is arguable that things have not been fulfilled yet - it could be that they are fulfilled on the second coming.
John 17:7-9 7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
John 17:12- 12“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
John 17:7-9 7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
John 17:12- 12“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
I'm not sure what you mean by saying that it's not Scriptural? I understand that the "sceptre (sic) departed from Judah"... but are you saying that the Romans did that, or God?
Regardless, Scripture is pretty much silent about how the Romans changed the Law/laws of the Jews. Most of what we do know about all that comes from sources outside of Scripture, right? I mean, Scripture doesn't tell us that it's okay to stop stoning people... the Romans did.
I find that notion ridiculous... the idea of drinking wine for thy stomach's sake strongly suggests that it was the alcohol content killing off bacteria and whatnot, that Paul was referring to. Drinking water in many parts of the world was flirting with death, especially in cities, unless the source was tried and tested.
My point was to dissuade you (and others) from your idea that everything given to us in Scripture, such as the ability to handle deadly serpents, isn't necessarily a commandment for Believers to follow... like the "rules" given in Acts 15.
Thank you... I disagree with your position too. Still, I perceive that you're well studied and believe what you're espousing... I respect your desire to know God.
Regardless, Scripture is pretty much silent about how the Romans changed the Law/laws of the Jews. Most of what we do know about all that comes from sources outside of Scripture, right? I mean, Scripture doesn't tell us that it's okay to stop stoning people... the Romans did.
I find that notion ridiculous... the idea of drinking wine for thy stomach's sake strongly suggests that it was the alcohol content killing off bacteria and whatnot, that Paul was referring to. Drinking water in many parts of the world was flirting with death, especially in cities, unless the source was tried and tested.
My point was to dissuade you (and others) from your idea that everything given to us in Scripture, such as the ability to handle deadly serpents, isn't necessarily a commandment for Believers to follow... like the "rules" given in Acts 15.
Thank you... I disagree with your position too. Still, I perceive that you're well studied and believe what you're espousing... I respect your desire to know God.
Your second to last point - why were Acts 15 not there to follow / or serpents / or being able to cause miracles like bringing the dead to life and moving mountains etc....?
Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
You are half right in your understanding. You are wrong in assuming the 15th day of the 1st month was on a Friday at sundown and was also the weekly Sabbath. The actual day of the week was a Wednesday as the 15th of the 1st month was at sundown. Jesus was in the grave Wednesday night, Thursday day, Thursday night, Friday day, Friday night, Saturday day and just before sundown He arose. A full 3 nights and 3 days. So yes, the 15th is a HIGH SABBATH and that week there was the HIGH Sabbath and also the weekly Sabbath. Also, the year was 31 AD, April 25. If you have a Stellarium app you can put your settings to Jerusalem Israel and see the eclipse. No other year for Passover (earlier or later) has the eclipse.
Jesus is God. Jesus asked the heretics if it is wrong to do good on the Sabbath. If Jesus resurrection is a work, then it is a very good thing.
Mark 3:4 And He said to them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? To save life, or to kill? But they were silent.
Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, I will ask you one thing: Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil, to save life, or to destroy it?
Mat_12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the sabbath.
Mat_12:12 How much better is a man then than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mar_2:27 And He said to them, The sabbath came into being for man's sake, and not man for the sabbath's sake.
Mar_2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the sabbath.
Luk_6:5 And He said to them, The Son of Man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Mark 3:4 And He said to them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? To save life, or to kill? But they were silent.
Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, I will ask you one thing: Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil, to save life, or to destroy it?
Mat_12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the sabbath.
Mat_12:12 How much better is a man then than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mar_2:27 And He said to them, The sabbath came into being for man's sake, and not man for the sabbath's sake.
Mar_2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the sabbath.
Luk_6:5 And He said to them, The Son of Man is Lord also of the sabbath.
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Christ died before sundown on Wednesday. After Sundown it was 1st month 15th day, First day of Unleavened Bread, a HIGH SABBATH. So the women may have purchased the needed supplies before sundown on Wednesday, but after sundown, they could not prepare. On Thursday at sundown the HIGH SABBATH was over and they could now prepare the ointments. But then at sundown on Friday, it was the weekly Sabbath, so now they must wait till Saturday sundown before they could go to the grave and prepare His body. They went early Sunday before day break and the stone was rolled away and His body was not there.
This is a partial solar eclipse taking place over Jerusalem Israel on April 25, 31 AD. You will not find any other Passover in surrounding years with an eclipse over Jerusalem. This is the PROOF I needed to know when Jesus' crucifixion occurred. Pictured is 1) Hillel II calendar for 31 AD and Passover Month 1 (also called Nisan) and the 14th day (April 25, 31 AD) is on a Wednesday. Pictured is 2) a screenshot from Stellarium app on my personal computer. Using both of these tools we can also see that Jesus was born on Tishri 1/Feast of Trumpets/9-11-3 BC. Let me know if you desire to see the Stellarium screenshot.
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