Christ-mass is Pagan.

[valiant]

How can the Feast of Christ be pagan?????

 

[Depleted]

The title and first post,stating the day willfully wrong thereby disrespecting Christ aka Jesus,and using the words,"how do you excuse yourself" referring to that we should be ashamed to celebrate Christ's birthday,I laughed at first to the foolishness,but the more I think on it,the whole thing isn't funny at all.

Oh, but it really is!

What's funny is self-justification over something that doesn't even qualify as self-justification.

 

[Studyman]

Christmas is about the ultimate gift to mankind, Jesus Christ, and the salvation, hope and mercy He gave to us. It about giving and doing for others. It is about helping those less fortunate. I just do not understand people who have a disdain about celebrating Christmas.

It's not that I have disdain about man creating High Days and placing Christ's name on it. What I think is irrelevant. I am not speaking from my own mind about this heathen practice of rejecting God's Instruction and creating their own..

For me it's about helping a brother see what God hates. What God disdains according to His Word. It's about what God's Word says, not men.


And His Word has specific examples of men, who claim the God of Abraham as their God, we created their own "Feasts unto the Lord".

Paul instructs in 1 Cor. 10.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Where is this warning written?

Ex. 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.


6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.


7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

These people, who claimed the God of Abraham as their God, created an image of God in the likeness of something on earth, created from what they wanted to hear, ( earrings, not bracelets or rings) Then they created a "Feast unto this same Lord" they had created. God said they corrupted themselves in doing this.

God hated them for doing this.

9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

Today we have a Great Church that has created an image of God in the likeness of something on earth, a long haired handsome man. They have also created their own "Feast unto the Lord" to worship it they call Christmas.

Paul specifically warns not to do this and specifically references this Exodus example.

So it isn't about what man disdains, rather, I am warning about what the God you claim to Love has already said about the practice of creating your own god and your own feasts unto this god.

For me It's about the Word of God, no the judgment of man.

 

[Depleted]

I didn't see it that way at all.. There's nothing wrong with "Christ mass". It's a mass of people who celebrate Christ's birth. And NOWHERE in the title OR any of his posts, has he said we should be ashamed for celebrating Christmas. He was actually referring to how we do or don't celebrate the holiday...

If someone asks you what your excuses are, the implication is that you're wrong. And he's playing with the word Christmas to imply we're all going to mass for Christmas, so yeah, he is being snooty and we should be ashamed. Also nailed it with the excuse he gave for not giving to charity either.

 

[kaylagrl]

I wondered why most people celebrate christ-mass when it was illegal 300+ years ago in America. And that people in the only testament were punished for tree worship/ Baal and grove etc.

Also, it apparently stems from Venus worship, a triangle covered with gold, silver, with a star above.

How and why do you excuse yourself???

​Here we go again. Tis the season I suppose.

 

[kaylagrl]

We drink wine and eat sugar plums soaked in vodka while dancing around the tree half naked and decorated with Silver and gold balls in honor of the sun and moon......how about you?

I haven't tried this version before,will have to see what hubby thinks.Thanks for the tip!

 

[kaylagrl]

Only half naked?

​Y'all are killin me....rofl

 

[Depleted]

It's not Jesus birthday. But yes I see the point that it's the only "big" Christian time, but the gospel at Christmas is hardly ever told, the birth is. See if you see a salvation message to with his death, because that's what I think He would wand more than 3 guys & a manger, even though that apparently didn't ha

How would you know? From your vast travels to so many churches, and, of course, you made this all about America, so you have vast experience in American churches too?

Sorry, but you've already told of what you know of church, and it's not much knowledge you have. Then again, you think this is all about what everyone else does, without ever bringing up what you (don't) do, so this is very lame.

You're the guy that hides away from people because you live away from them and don't want to deal with anyone anyway. So church? To you church is just one place, and a place you don't like going to or interacting with anyone when you do go. You're laying this on everyone else's feet, when really your problems are worse. Not because you can't overcome them. Because you don't want to overcome them. Much easier to sound relevant than be relevant.

You're neither sounding nor being relevant, so you laid nothing at anyone else's feet.

 

[Grandpa]

Romans 14:22-23
[FONT=&quot]22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

I like Christmas. I don't like spending so much money on gifts, though. I just wish more people would focus on Christ during this season so I don't feel like the legalist of the family.

But that's kind of the cool thing about Christmas. The rain falls on the just and the un-just alike. Some people celebrate Christmas completely oblivious to Christ. Some people celebrate the Feasts completely oblivious to Christ. The Lord will get their attention in His Time...[/FONT]

 

[Depleted]

Everything we do is pagan. Are we supposed to just stop living life, that'd be pretty boring, dont'cha think??

And yet, that is just about what Dai has determined to do. And notice who gets blamed for his choice now?

 

[kaylagrl]

That's not the point. It isn't for us to speculate whether people are Christians or not.. And exactly where and how did he disrespect Jesus' name or birthday?

​In all fairness Lady Blue the OP kind of gas lighted folks with "how do you pagans live with yourself".Can't expect nice responses to that nonsense.

 

[Depleted]

Has anybody defined the term "pagan" in this discussion, yet?

Pagan -- what everyone else is, but what I'm not.

 

[Depleted]

I would still like to know the consequences of celebrating Christmas?
What will happen? My guess would be nothing.

A cheerier living room. Memories from younger years. New memories. A warm feeling of family. A reminder of what the King of the Universe chose to go through to help his people. Empathy for those who have less. An unnecessary busyness. A yummy dinner, and probably a few things we shouldn't be eating. The comfort from love ones. Satisfaction.

 

[Grandpa]

An interesting question;

What does Pagan mean? What is Paganism?

Does it mean you aren't under the law and you don't practice the things that Judaism does?

Judaism doesn't worship Christ but does anyone include them in their definition of Paganism?


Might as well get to the bottom of it...

 

[Depleted]

I think getting the origin is extremely difficult. Because if you look at Adam and Eve, the tree in the garden of Eden, the gift of fruit knowledge, self gain against God.

You can probably see that everyone is nearly directly related to VENUS and the tree worship is related to the gifts from the tree of knowledge of sin etc, and Adam is sometimes MARS, OR other? Referenced as a STAR.

My accuracy maybe slightly off?? But all this goes back to the Catholic church, then sun worshipping emperor Constantine, then Baal and grove, then garden of Eden fall of man.

The Christmas video's on grace and truth ministries YouTube, can show more details also.

What's the difference between the hypocrisy of wasting time and energy on Christmas compared to watching that YouTube video?

Speaking of wasting time... I'm done, for now.

 

[Snoozy]

A cheerier living room. Memories from younger years. New memories. A warm feeling of family. A reminder of what the King of the Universe chose to go through to help his people. Empathy for those who have less. An unnecessary busyness. A yummy dinner, and probably a few things we shouldn't be eating. The comfort from love ones. Satisfaction.

take it down! take it down now! paganism! no please noo! anything but good memories and positivity

 

[notmyown]

I understand Luke Chapter 1 to clearly indicate that Jesus was born during Sukkot (Tabernacles) and Jn 1:14 seems to confirm this. Apart from the fact that it is part of Constantine's deliberate effort to paganize the Church I find Christmas to be probably the least objectionable paganization. The German Tannenbaum (Christmas tree) brings many people a lot of joy and any link to Pagan worship real or imagined is not in most people's awareness. It is knowing that Constantine deliberately chose the date to coincide with the feast of Saturninus that bothers me.

i agree Christ was born during Sukkot. just thought i'd share a thought a friend posted here once...

September, count back nine months, and you have a pregnant virgin in December.

Emmanuel. God with us.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by Dai3234 It's not Jesus birthday. But yes I see the point that it's the only "big" Christian time, but the gospel at Christmas is hardly ever told, the birth is.

Come to our church. We take advantage of Christmas, as of any other time, to preach the Gospel.

I realise you might not.

 

[Jackson123]

I wondered why most people celebrate christ-mass when it was illegal 300+ years ago in America. And that people in the only testament were punished for tree worship/ Baal and grove etc.

Also, it apparently stems from Venus worship, a triangle covered with gold, silver, with a star above.

How and why do you excuse yourself???

I think Christ mass celebrate the birth of Christ.

But some say the birth of Christ is not Desember, December 25 was the birth of sun God, Satanic religion

and some say Roman catholic that move the date, and use It to celeberate Christ birth

I do not know why and what is the reason. Is that manipulation, and make people celeberate Sun God?

Similar thing happen, some say Rome religion worship Queen of heaven AS one of their Godes, than they call Mary AS queen Of heaven.

 

[KelbyofGod]

I understand Luke Chapter 1 to clearly indicate that Jesus was born during Sukkot (Tabernacles) and Jn 1:14 seems to confirm this. Apart from the fact that it is part of Constantine's deliberate effort to paganize the Church I find Christmas to be probably the least objectionable paganization. The German Tannenbaum (Christmas tree) brings many people a lot of joy and any link to Pagan worship real or imagined is not in most people's awareness. It is knowing that Constantine deliberately chose the date to coincide with the feast of Saturninus that bothers me.

Disclaimer: I've not studied Constantine nor prayed to ask his intentions.

I might suggest a reason other than a purposeful intent of paganizing the church. And that is an application of Bugs Bunny logic... "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"... or in this case, if you don't want to take the time to nurture them from error to truth and/or you don't want to offend them while trying to get them to join your cause/church then just find a way to justify what they are doing.

From what I understand, that's what was done by a particular church trying to whitewash an evil-spirit and death-worshipping celebration. In order for that church to NOT have to deal with what was going on...and also to not "turn off" potential converts... they simply declared the evening before it as "All-saints evening" aka "all hallowed even" aka "hallow e'en". That would allow that church to tell potential converts "Oh, you don't have to quit celebrating that day if you join us...we celebrate that day, too... just for different reasons...etc, etc."

Sound familiar?



P.S. Don't forget Easter Hasn't it seemed odd to anyone that all three of these 'church' holidays "just happen" to be on days confusable with non-church holidays?