Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.

[Jason0047]

It's always easy to type these things on a computer and if you take every statement that does not agree in that way, i guess you could come up with that - Online life is barely valid - if your going to try to teach, you should do it at a church

First, this is an off topic discussion and a discruption to this thread's discussion. Second, whenever you try to converse with me, it is never about how God's love is good, and or about loving me and or talking about God's Word in patience or love. It's about tearing me down and saying how your particular relgious view or philosphy for a person's life is how we should live (Even though you offer no Scripture to back up that religious view). Again, if you show me no love and just attack me all the time and offer no evidence of Scripture to even back up what you are saying, you are no different than an "angry mob" that screams "heresy" mindlessly. Third, getting back to the topic of discussion of this thread: Do you believe Jesus is 100% God? Do you believe God is Holy and incapable of evil or sin? Do you believe Jesus has the capacity to sin? If so, would that not make Him less than 100% of God seeing God cannot sin? How can Jesus be Holy, undefiled, separate from sinners if He had the capacity to sin? Does not Holy mean perfect? Was Adam created Holy? So if you believe Jesus could have sinned, that means you believe Jesus could have failed in His mission. Do you believe Jesus could have failed in His mission? If so, what verses suggest this? Did you check out the verses I presented on these points?

Anyways, may the Lord's love shine upon you.
And please be well.

 

[Jason0047]

This is a pretty vain topic, and I think it can be a hindrance more then help, so again, I'm done with this topic, we will never completely understand the mind of Christ,

I disagree. This is not a vain topic. It is teaching people that God (Jesus) is good and never evil under any circumstance or situation. But yet folks here are saying Jesus could have potentially done evil. That is wrong, and I will fight against that in love with my last dying breath with Scripture. For how can Jesus be one with God the Father if Jesus considered in doing evil? Is having bad thoughts not acceptable to God within Scripture? Would not considering evil be a bad thought? It's prettty simple and easy to understand and I believe you can know the mind of Christ according to the Scriptures by the Spirit. For the Spirit can guide a person into all truth. I believe God is good and has no capacity to sin. Jesus is God just as God the Father is God.

until we are in heaven. I'm on the fence because I understand both sides of the argument. Gods human side and His divine side on the other... He is both .. I still believe He thought as a human while being a human, but also was divine.

God is good. There should never be any doubt to that fact, my friend. Jesus is God. So that means Jesus is good, too. For He is the Good Shepherd.

There is no taking away from either side or adding to scripture of external and internal... Evil was brought before Him, He either casted it out, rebuked, or refused it, every time.

Jesus cast out the external evil every time because of WHO HE IS internally. Inside the body was God. For God was manifested in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16). For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9). His disciples asked to see the Father, but Jesus said they already seen the Father. If they did not believe Him, then they should believe the works that He did. So Jesus was one with the Father who is Holy and not capable of sin. At no point was Jesus ever separate from the Father, otherwise you would have two Gods within the universe (at a particular point in time); And that is not possible because the Scriptures say there is only one God.

He did His Fathers will as a man, I stand corrected...again... This is a difficult topic as I said from the beginning and I'm sure if there's 37 more pages ... It will be in the same area of discussion " no growth ".

Jesus forgave sin, which is a power that only God can have. Forgiving sin is exclusively what Jesus does, too. The Father is not our advocate or mediator. Jesus is. No man can permanently wipe away sins and or forgive them like God (i.e. Christ). Jesus forgave during His Earthly ministry --- Which is something only God can do; And Jesus was always in obedience to the Father's will because Jesus always does that which pleases Him (John 8:29). In addition, Jesus said, "For where two or threee are gathered together in my name, there I am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20). Jesus said that He would raise up this temple (i.e. referring to his body) (John 2:19). This means Jesus had power and was acting in accordance to God's will to rise from the dead. Only God can have power to do something like that.

 

[Jason0047]

Jesus said, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20).

I wanted to add that Jesus said this (not just to us today), but Jesus said this to the believers who were surrounding Him (and who were alive with him during His ministry). See, a lot of folks who read the Scriptures today, read it from a selfish "ME" perspective, and they don't consider who these words were spoken to (And that they also applied to them as well). In other words, the Spirit portion of Christ had the power of Omnipresence to be among other believers who were gathered in His name.

Jesus also received worship, too.

Jesus obviously did this in accordance with the Father's will beause Jesus always does what pleases the Father (John 8:29).

So Jesus not only obeyed the Father as just a man, but as being God, too.

 

[Jason0047]

In fact, many Christians today say that Jesus is God and yet He has no power as God. However, this version of the Lord is a neutered God, my friends. But according to the Word of God: God is greater. God is stronger; And God is not neutered at any point in His eternal being. He merely chose to suppress (or not use) one aspect of His divine attributes known as Omniscience. For you have to understand that if God were to erase a divine attribute from a certain portion of His being it would change the very nature of who God is. For example: It would be like me replacing certain parts of my body with cybernetic implants. I would no longer be who I used to be. I would be a Cyborg and not solely a human anymore. It's the same with Jesus. If the Word who was made flesh became any less of the Word, it would no longer be the Word anymore. It would be: The Word was emptied out and became flesh. But the Scriptures do not say that, though. It says He was Light who shines His light upon every man that comes into this world; It also says we beheld His glory, too.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
(John 1:10).
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
(John 1:9).

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(John 1:14).
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
(John 1:16).​

For people today do not believe Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh. Many of them believe that Jesus was just a man alone and that He only tapped into the Spirit of God only. How much more easier is it for them to pull you over into their camp and make you completely deny the deity of Jesus Christ. I believe many here have already done the work for them by ignoring Scripture about the Son of God's holiness and power. For folks here can list reasons that Jesus is man (Which is true). But many of them are unwilling to list reasons that Jesus is God besides just a claim that He is God (Without any kind of power of being God as the Second person within the Godhead whatsoever).

In other words, imagine a belief as the table top and the reasons to support that belief as the legs of that table. When I say that Jesus is the Son of God, or claim that He is divine (i.e. the Table top), there should be good reasons to support such a claim (i.e. the legs of that table). For the legs of your belief that Jesus is God is merely an empty declaration and the legs of your table do not really exist because your reasons to support that Jesus is the Son of God have been reduced to just mere statements only (With no power, evidences, or true references) to support that belief.

 

[Jason0047]

In other words, imagine a belief as the table top and the reasons to support that belief as the legs of that table. When I say that Jesus is the Son of God, or claim that He is divine (i.e. the Table top), there should be good reasons to support such a claim (i.e. the legs of that table). For the legs of your belief that Jesus is God is merely an empty declaration and the legs of your table do not really exist because your reasons to support that Jesus is the Son of God have been reduced to just mere statements only (With no power, evidences, or true references) to support that belief.

Please Note: I am speaking the "you" in reference to who it applies to and not to everybody.

Thank you.

And may God bless you all.

 

[Jason0047]

As for the mention of Hebrews 5:8 (that relates to Philippians 2:8 and Hebrews 2:10):

Well, before Christ came down into the flesh of a man, He did not suffer in doing the Father's will. Hebrews 5:8 says He learned to be obedient by the things which he suffered. Does this mean Jesus was disobedient to the Father at any point? No. John 8:29 says Jesus always did what pleases the Father. Jesus was without sin, and he was holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners (Hebrews 4:15) (Hebrews 7:26), (Hebrews 9:14).

Christ went from "Obedience to God that was not tested" (by the devil and man) before the Incarnation and He went into the realm of being of "Obedience to God that was tested" while as a man (Who was under the curse of suffering) so as to suffer in our place.

Jesus learned obedience experientially (i.e. thru experience) in man's suffering of the curse of the fall (See Genesis 3). Jesus was being our substitute. He took on our sin that came from Adam (and the suffering thereof) in order to be the author of our salvation, which was made complete (or perfect) thru the suffering he experienced. In other words, the penalty or price for sin could not be paid in it's entirety without the Lord experiencing the suffering (that is both the result and curse of sin from the beginning). God the Father could not have laid Judgment against sin that Jesus took on within His body on our behalf (With the taking of the cup in the Garden) while He was on the cross if He did not suffer the consequences of sin.

Hebrews 2:10 NIV
"In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect [made complete] through suffering."