Christian Nationalism (This deserves it's own thread)

[Mem]

The term
"suffer violence" is a Greek word, not a Hebrew word and it is used twice in the New Testament. The use in Luke says that every believer will have to "push into" the kingdom. Same word. So that is why I have interpreted the way I do.

You certainly are not alone in that interpretation.

 

[Publican]

I think it is important to understand that this word in Matthew translated "violent" is only used in the book of Matthew. Every book in the New Testament has seven words unique to that book not used in any other New Testament book. So these seven words give us a picture of what the unique agenda of each book of the Bible.

Obviously Matthew, Mark and Luke have quite a bit that overlaps between them. However, I would say you can make a strong case from the Bible that these three synoptic gospels have three specific audiences that they are describing and Matthew is describing the nation of Israel. The word really means forceful, but could also be understood as violent.

Now the term "suffereth violence" is used twice, both in Matthew and in Luke.

Here is what Luke says "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth G971 into it."

So obviously every man who is saved must "press into the kingdom" and the term certainly does not mean illegitimately. It is a battle to be a Christian that is fully given to the Lord. If that is not your experience then something is wrong. Matthew identifies the nation of Israel as these "violent" men. But that could also be translated as "forceful men". Abraham was a forceful man. Jacob wrestling with God was a forceful man. Joseph imprisoning Simeon was a forceful man. The patriarchs selling Joseph as a slave were forceful men. Samson slaying the Philistines was a forceful man. David slaying Goliath was a forceful man.

Any genuine Christian will be involved in spiritual warfare and will have to press their way into the kingdom.

Oh yeah.

 

[MeowFlower]

I wouldn't advise following the teachings f Progressive Benjamin Cremer.

https://www.monergism.com/rev-benjamin-r-cremer

 

[Magenta]

Every book in the New Testament has seven words unique to that book not used in any other New Testament
book. So these seven words give us a picture of what the unique agenda of each book of the Bible.

Do you have a list of the seven words unique to each NT book not used in any other New Testament book?

 

[ZNP]

Do you have a list of the seven words unique to each NT book not used in any other New Testament book?

Nope, wish I had that list. This teaching came from Chuck Missler

 

[ZNP]

An example of these words is in 2 Timothy 1:6 "wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands."

This word translated "stir up" is only used this one time in the New Testament. If you have every worked with a campfire you know if you let a few big logs burn to ash overnight in the morning you can stir the fire up with some fresh kindling and it will once again come right back to life. I believe that this is critical to God's burden in 2 Timothy. It seems to me the words that are unique to each book would be a great study tool.

How do you find them? If you had a Young's concordance and nothing to do for the weekend you could probably find most if not all of them simply by going page by page through the concordance.

 

[ZNP]

Another example is the word "forasmuch", the first word used in the gospel of Luke. It is somewhat ironic because Luke is saying many others are writing their accounts of the Lord's gospel ministry and since he also knows these things quite well he is also writing and yet that word is unique to him. He is not regurgitating what others have written.

Then he says "taken in hand" indicating that he has picked up this burden to. This word is not unique to the gospel of Luke but it is unique to the writer showing up only in Luke and Acts.

Then he says "to set forth in order" another word unique to Luke.

Then he says "a declaration" another word unique only to the gospel of Luke.

Consider the irony that he says since everyone else is doing this he is going to do it also and in that verse gives you four unique words. He makes it very clear that he has a unique perspective that will add to what we know and not simply regurgitate what others have already spoken.

1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,

Contrast this with the word many which is used 365 times in 30 unique forms in the New Testament. That could be a coincidence but it seems like God is saying 365 days a year and 30 days a month people are having unique experiences of Jesus Christ and since others are sharing their testimony you should too.

It is easy to say that others are taking care of that, I don't need to, but then think of what we would have lost if we never got Luke's gospel.

 

[Magenta]

Nope, wish I had that list. This teaching came from Chuck Missler

That is very interesting! Thank you for providing the video. I wish
he had been more forthcoming about what those words were.

 

[ZNP]

That is very interesting! Thank you for providing the video. I wish
he had been more forthcoming about what those words were.

You can find them. There are concordances that are based on the Greek word (Young's) rather than the english translation (Strong's). If you were to flip through the pages of that concordance you could find the words that are unique to any book. It would be time consuming but could be done.

I found someone who did this for the book of Luke, so I have every word that is unique to the book of Luke.

There are also many Bible apps and it may be that some of those will also be capable of doing this.

If you had a lexicon of every word and every verse it showed up in and could save that to a spreadsheet I could show you how to use the if then statements to find the unique words.

 

[SonJudgment]

Still never seen someone call themselves a Christian Nationalist. It seems only the anti-Christians use this term. It's almost as if they don't want the nation to turn back Christ.

 

[SonJudgment]

I wouldn't advise following the teachings f Progressive Benjamin Cremer.

https://www.monergism.com/rev-benjamin-r-cremer

Ah he's a modern pharisee, that makes sense now. Good find.

 

[Plvs-Vltra]

i understand by christian nationalist, someone who wants his nation to have christian laws, in which his nation is ruled under the principles of the christian civilization that ruled Europe back then. The problem is that "nationalism" and the concept of "nation" was born in the french revolution with liberalism, and liberalism is incompatible with christianity.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

i understand by christian nationalist, someone who wants his nation to have christian laws, in which his nation is ruled under the principles of the christian civilization that ruled Europe back then. The problem is that "nationalism" and the concept of "nation" was born in the french revolution with liberalism, and liberalism is incompatible with christianity.

I think globalists just don't want Christian nationalism because they feel it would impede their agenda of having a one-world government. According to the Bible, they WILL get what they want (albeit for a short time), and even kill a lot of Christians that they hate so much. So I don't know why they think Christian nationalism would be some sort of threat and try to put it in the worst light possible hoping that it wouldn't appeal to Christians.

So to all of you trying to discourage it, don't worry. It's not going to happen. Your loser antichrist will successfully ascend and you can glory in him for the short 3-1/2 years he gets to play one-world leader amidst the wars, pestilence, famine and natural disasters that God the Father will inflict on it. None of you will really get to enjoy it.


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[Plvs-Vltra]

I think globalists just don't want Christian nationalism because they feel it would impede their agenda of having a one-world government. According to the Bible, they WILL get what they want (albeit for a short time), and even kill a lot of Christians that they hate so much. So I don't know why they think Christian nationalism would be some sort of threat and try to put it in the worst light possible hoping that it wouldn't appeal to Christians.

So to all of you trying to discourage it, don't worry. It's not going to happen. Your loser antichrist will successfully ascend and you can glory in him for the short 3-1/2 years he gets to play one-world leader amidst the wars, pestilence, famine and natural disasters that God the Father will inflict on it. None of you will really get to enjoy it.


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I would suporte a christian nationalist movement, however i am more a monarchist, federalist like in the medieval times, because when you concéntrate all the power in one centralized state it is easier to fall in the hands of an evil King/president. And lose all the progress you made to make your nation christian again. But you are right those Who oppose christianity in laws and polítics, are from the antichrist, Jesus is King and has to rule everywhere specially in polítics.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I would suporte a christian nationalist movement, however i am more a monarchist, federalist like in the medieval times, because when you concéntrate all the power in one centralized state it is easier to fall in the hands of an evil King/president. And lose all the progress you made to make your nation christian again. But you are right those Who oppose christianity in laws and polítics, are from the antichrist, Jesus is King and has to rule everywhere specially in polítics.

I think there WILL be Christian nationalism when Jesus comes back to reign. I don't think it is possible right now for the reasons you've detailed.

So I don't know why the antichrist's minions are so worried about Christian nationalism possibly gaining momentum. If they read the Bible, the antichrist will ascend with no problems at all.

It's just that his reign won't last very long and then he and his minions will experience a humiliating defeat - ALL THIS without any help from Christians (because most of us will be dead anyway) and certainly no help from any Christian nationalism (which isn't going to happen).

If anything, the only person they need to worry about is Jesus - and they won't be able to do anything to stop Him!


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