Christianity vs Science.(Creation)

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OK. There has been a long talk when it comes to Christian believes about God and how he created the world and Science believe that there is no such thing as God. Actually, i'm a Christian and believe in God, but while comparing the two i will be as neutral as I can.

So let's start by saying neither of the 2 makes sense, But we shall now begin to take a look at some probable believes from d two sides..

1) Christians: God created the world. Why dis doesn't make sense..

i) Who is God ii) Where did he come from iii) How can u claim dat somebody i don't see and i'm not even sure he
exists created the world..

2) Science: We are descendants of Apes.. Why dis can make a little bit of sense

i) Apes behave almost like human beings ii) It is possible dat since they are so close to human beings, after a while they turned into human beings

Now why dis doesn't make sense.... How come they suddenly stopped changing into human beings?

3) Science: Human beings just began to exist, OK no creation, no transforming..

Now if it is possible for human beings to *JUST EXISTED* dat is Human beings just came out of nowhere, then it means that it is possible for God to * JUST COME OUT OF NOWHERE* without us knowing who he is!

And if we as well say Human Beings are descendants of Apes, Then my question is dis, Where did these
Apes which transformed into Human Beings come from?

Once again, if they (the Apes) *JUST APPEARED*, Then it is possible for God to *JUST APPEAR*

Now christians say dat their God is Ominipotent, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Incomparable God, I AM THAT I AM,Ancient Of Days, Prince Of Peace, Lilly Of The Valleys. etc To mention but a few, Maybe God is a little bit overrated ( which ofcourse is not true, there is no way God can be exaggerated).And they go on talking about all the mighty things he can do!.

Wouldn't it make more sense to believe that somebody with all these biographies :D created the earth, Wouldn't it make more sense to believe dat somebody whom the christian claims to be behind all the miracles and wonders going on created us?. Or would u rather believe dat we are mere descendants of Apes? Or we are without a creator?( which if u read my text carefully only proves dat God exists).

The Choice Is Yours
 
In my opinion it is foolish to ignore science. The catholic church did by denying the world wasn't flat. The catholic church by ignoring the proof that the earth moves around the sun.

But there is absolutely no proof for saying that humans are descendents from apes. There is on the other hand proof for the Big Bang, but that is not against the Bible. I don't understand why many christians make a problem from the big bang.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

It doesn't say HOW God created the earth. Maybe the Big Bang did happen and God is the one who banged it!
 
I believe in the big bang and micro evolution, but not macro evolution. I also believe that God has always existed and always will exist, which is entirely possible seeing as God is a being we know nothing about, we only know about the physical world :)
 
And fidelis, I believe the Bible does say how God created the universe, I believe He created it with light. And as scientists will tell you the elements all came from light at the big bang, infact the big bang in its very essence was light :)
 
And The bible did say how God created the earth. With words not with light!
 
Tobby think about that for a second, what were Gods words? "let there be light" so yes he used words but im saying he couldve used the light to create the world. lets not get caught up in my choice of words aye?
 
Lad said:
Tobby think about that for a second, what were Gods words? "let there be light" so yes he used words but im saying he couldve used the light to create the world. lets not get caught up in my choice of words aye?
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lol Lad, we cool. We won't let Forlorn make fun of us :P
 
LOL i like forlorn, hes hilarious and i doubt hed mock me... he knows hed lose :P :P
 
Read Genesis Chapter 1. That is your basic proof right there that God created the world. Other than that you just have to have faith and believe in God with your heart man. Don't rely on science.
 
I'm a science teacher and believe God created the universe and know alot of other scientist who agree. so I think to say "science" does not believe in God is false. Science just chooses not to discuss things that can't be tested or observed by all people. that does not mean it denies the existence of God. If I don't tell you about my puppy dog Tia does that mean i don't believe she would tear up the yard and run havoc if left alone in the backyard? Just because you don't talk about God all the time doesn't mean you don't believe He is your Heavenly Father. I don't talk about my earthly parents all the time but that does not indicate I deny their existence.

I think this falls in the "doubtful things category" we are told not to debate in the Bible.

We are to receive those weak in faith. if they have a hard time accepting that God did exactly as He said in the Bible we still love and pray for them and eventually God will lead them to that truth. It is not a salvation issue.

Romans 14:1
[ The Law of Liberty ] Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
 
Tobby17 said:
OK. There has been a long talk when it comes to Christian believes about God and how he created the world and Science believe that there is no such thing as God. Actually, i'm a Christian and believe in God, but while comparing the two i will be as neutral as I can.

So let's start by saying neither of the 2 makes sense, But we shall now begin to take a look at some probable believes from d two sides..

1) Christians: God created the world. Why dis doesn't make sense.. (because God's wisdom is foolishness to those who live in the flesh and do not discern in the Spirit)

i) Who is God ii) Where did he come from iii) How can u claim dat somebody i don't see and i'm not even sure he
exists created the world.. that is what the meaning of Faith, and we don't claim, we just pronounce the Truth and you don't have to be sure of God or who your earthly parents are, however no one is walking around saying they don't have any biological parents, why do they deny their Creator?

2) Science: We are descendants of Apes.. Why dis can make a little bit of sense (because that is not what is taught by evolution, someone is lying to you)

i) Apes behave almost like human beings ii) It is possible dat since they are so close to human beings, after a while they turned into human beings

Now why dis doesn't make sense.... How come they suddenly stopped changing into human beings?

3) Science: Human beings just began to exist, OK no creation, no transforming.. (what??? who was your science teacher???? how did you pass their class????)

Now if it is possible for human beings to *JUST EXISTED* dat is Human beings just came out of nowhere, then it means that it is possible for God to * JUST COME OUT OF NOWHERE* without us knowing who he is!

And if we as well say Human Beings are descendants of Apes, Then my question is dis, Where did these
Apes which transformed into Human Beings come from?

Once again, if they (the Apes) *JUST APPEARED*, Then it is possible for God to *JUST APPEAR*

Now christians say dat their God is Ominipotent, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Incomparable God, I AM THAT I AM,Ancient Of Days, Prince Of Peace, Lilly Of The Valleys. etc To mention but a few, Maybe God is a little bit overrated ( which ofcourse is not true, there is no way God can be exaggerated).And they go on talking about all the mighty things he can do!.

Wouldn't it make more sense to believe that somebody with all these biographies :D created the earth, Wouldn't it make more sense to believe dat somebody whom the christian claims to be behind all the miracles and wonders going on created us?. Or would u rather believe dat we are mere descendants of Apes? Or we are without a creator?( which if u read my text carefully only proves dat God exists).

The Choice Is Yours
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??? wow I'm going to pray for you little brother. and you should listen to God's words on this and remind others of their truth. We can not fully comprehend God's majesty and should not speak on things we do not understand. Please study more science before posting on the subject. I am Christian and love my Lord and Savior, but ignorance of what science actually teaches is not a good testimony of His Wisdom and grace:

Job 42
2 “I know that You can do everything,
And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.

3 You asked, ‘Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.

4 Listen, please, and let me speak;
You said, ‘I will question you, and you shall answer Me.’

5 “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.

6 Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.”

 
Forlorn-Hope said:
This nuclear bomb says I win... who wants to argue.
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No argument: God wins. Don't have to agree with me, you can choose to be wrong ;)


Revelation 21

All Things Made New

1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
6 And He said to me, “It is done![c] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[d] and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[e] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
Revelation 22

The River of Life

1 And he showed me a pure[a] river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
 
well most of us are hoping you guys become Christian and join the brethren :)

die to self and be reborn in Christ :)
 
Fidelis said:
In my opinion it is foolish to ignore science. The catholic church did by denying the world wasn't flat. The catholic church by ignoring the proof that the earth moves around the sun.

But there is absolutely no proof for saying that humans are descendents from apes. There is on the other hand proof for the Big Bang, but that is not against the Bible. I don't understand why many christians make a problem from the big bang.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

It doesn't say HOW God created the earth. Maybe the Big Bang did happen and God is the one who banged it!
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I really like this posting:) I also agree that it's unwise to simply ignore, or disavow the entire discipline of science as if nothing good can come from it. I actually would go one step further and say that, if more Christians would examine the Biblical text as intricately as some scientists observe nature, there would be a far less risk of misinterpreting Holy Writ. Ultimately, I believe that true science is beneficial to all, and any attempt to disprove the existence of a Creator would evidence an atheistic presupposition in the respective scientist because it's impossible to prove the non-existence of a Creator using the study and observational methods of nature.
 
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