Churches of Christ with or without instruments, which is the right way to worship?

[Apostol2013]

More to show as far as prayer , the development of the gifts and propper leadership structure

 

[Tintin]

People, just let this horrible thread die.

 

[Nautilus]

last thing and then Im done. Show us the verse specifically CONDEMNING instruments and Ill pay attention.

 

[Jda016]

I shouldn't even contribute, but I read something interesting today.

John 6:27 "Do not labor for food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life..." No demonination started from this verse because they took the words as being perfectly literal (or if they did they long since starved to death).

Jesus isn't saying don't labor for food, but rather for everyone to seek "food" that goes to everlasting life. It is not a command to never labor, but a command to seek the things which are truly important.

in a similar way, when a scripture says "sing to The Lord" it doesn't mean it can only be done with your voice and no instruments.

There are some Scriptures that shouldn't be taken perfectly literal.

 

[KSublett]

Christ in Isaiah 8 says that THERE IS NO LIGHT in those who do not speak the Law and Testimony (Prophets). There is no mention of Instrumental music in the Law and the Prophets specificially condemn it. The Synagogue or Church in the wilderness outlawed Vocal or Instrumental rejoicing because the people were never called into assembly in a spiritual sense except to REST, Read and Rehearse the Word as delivered by Moses to sub-elders of groups as small as ten families (required for a synagogue). That is a specific command: Edersheim and Calvin both affirm that and the Campbells defined worship as Reading and Musing the Word. Paul, Peter and the historic church for centuries undlerstood that.

Speak where the Bible speaks is affirmed by the "church fathers" because Christ in Isaiah 58 outlawed seeking your own pleasure or even speaking the WORD and that He defines as how to RESTORE THE OLD PATHS to walk in.

Words have meaning. If you say "Recite the Pledge of Allegiance" does not mean thou shalt NOT sing the pledge with a back-up Musical Reciting Team, then it is impossible to communicate. God uses words which are understand. The Word or Logos is the Regulative Principle. It is specificiallly defined by the whole world at that time to be the OPPOSITE of Pathos or preacher's tales (mostly fabricated) or introductions about how I bruised my head falling off a motercycle, Or "when I preached in Texas this is how we DID IT." LOGOS (for those WITH LIGHT Isaiah 58) is the opposite of poetry, singing, playing instruments especially melody in holy places. If a Levite played a harp in the Holy Place even in a civil temple God commanded that he be executed.

Logos VI. verbal expression or utterance, lego, lexis, word for word,
-Lexis A.speech, OPPOSITE ôidê

And the whole world understood that:

-ôidê, OPPOSITE lexis,
1.art of song 5. = eppsdê, spell, incantation

Logos is 4. text of an author, OPPOSITEexegesis
[Peter's private interpretation outlaws exegesis]

Paul commanded SPEAK that which is written for our learning
ODE and PSALLO are IN (en, eis) the Heart meaning SILENT,.

For that matter as Christ in Isaiah 55 told US not to pay for the Free Water of the Word, Paul said that He did not CORRUPT the Word. Corrupting the Word means "selling learning at wholesale." Therefore, seeing godliness as a means if financial gain (occupation) and then presuming to sell your own Private Interpretation or ignoring the text totally is a VERY DANGEROUS GAME TO PLAY. If you PAY for rhetorical, singing or instrument playing performance you in fact violate a direct command of Christ Who defined His Ekklesia or Synagogue AFTER the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites were silenced. That would silence their Laded Burden which is defined as Arousal Singing which "creates spiritual anxiety through religious ritual" as well as TAXES NOT IN TIME OF WAR. There is no Law (legalism) of Giving or tithing when Jesus has paid it all

 

[Shava]

I shouldn't even contribute, but I read something interesting today.

John 6:27 "Do not labor for food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life..." No demonination started from this verse because they took the words as being perfectly literal (or if they did they long since starved to death).

Jesus isn't saying don't labor for food, but rather for everyone to seek "food" that goes to everlasting life. It is not a command to never labor, but a command to seek the things which are truly important.

in a similar way, when a scripture says "sing to The Lord" it doesn't mean it can only be done with your voice and no instruments.

There are some Scriptures that shouldn't be taken perfectly literal.

Your contribution is as important as anybody else. Contributing is the only way we all can figure out why others think the way they do on the bible and why they have chosen to believe a certain way, so keep contributing.

 

[vanillakay]

Iv always been told by my grandmother before she died that our particular church (which is Church of Christ) doesn't believe in instruments. We have always sang accapella. Iv never minded but these days i think there's nothing wrong with it, i would even like instruments. As long as your using ti to worship God, who cares?..Just my two-cents anwyays

 

[Shava]

last thing and then Im done. Show us the verse specifically CONDEMNING instruments and Ill pay attention.

1) There is no command in the New Testament for Christians to use instruments of music in the worship of the church.
2) There is no example in the New Testament of a church, apostle, teacher, or any Christian ever using an instrument in worship.
3) It is not of faith, therefore it is sin (Romans 14:23).
4) It is going beyond that which is written (1 Corinthians 4:6).
5) It violates the command to “sing” (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16).
6) Singing is commanded; the accompaniment of a musical instrument is an “addition” to this command, and therefore it is wrong (Rev. 22:18).
7) The use of the instrument in worship to God is a failure to “abide in the doctrine of Christ” (2 John 9).
8) Those who use the instrument in worship “reject” the authority of Christ (Matthew 28:19; Luke 6:46).
9) It cannot be done “in the name” (or by the authority) of Jesus (1 Corinthians 4:6; Colossians 3:17).
10) From the above evidences, the use of the instrument in worship is obviously not from Heaven, so it must be from men (Matthew 21:25).
From the above Scriptures, we can now “clearly” answer this question, “Can Christians use musical instruments in worship and still be pleasing to God?”

 

[Aerendyl]

1) There is no command in the New Testament for Christians to use instruments of music in the worship of the church.
2) There is no example in the New Testament of a church, apostle, teacher, or any Christian ever using an instrument in worship.
3) It is not of faith, therefore it is sin (Romans 14:23).
4) It is going beyond that which is written (1 Corinthians 4:6).
5) It violates the command to “sing” (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16).
6) Singing is commanded; the accompaniment of a musical instrument is an “addition” to this command, and therefore it is wrong (Rev. 22:18).
7) The use of the instrument in worship to God is a failure to “abide in the doctrine of Christ” (2 John 9).
8) Those who use the instrument in worship “reject” the authority of Christ (Matthew 28:19; Luke 6:46).
9) It cannot be done “in the name” (or by the authority) of Jesus (1 Corinthians 4:6; Colossians 3:17).
10) From the above evidences, the use of the instrument in worship is obviously not from Heaven, so it must be from men (Matthew 21:25).
From the above Scriptures, we can now “clearly” answer this question, “Can Christians use musical instruments in worship and still be pleasing to God?”

Psalm 150 begs to differ:

"3 Praise God with trumpets
and all kinds of harps.
4 Praise him with tambourines
and dancing,
with stringed instruments
and woodwinds.
5 Praise God with cymbals,
with clashing cymbals. "

 

[Shava]

Psalm 150 begs to differ:

"3 Praise God with trumpets
and all kinds of harps.
4 Praise him with tambourines
and dancing,
with stringed instruments
and woodwinds.
5 Praise God with cymbals,
with clashing cymbals. "

Can you tell me if there's any commands in the New Testament to sing only? Can you show me in the New Testament where Psalms is used in the New Testament as described above with these instruments in worship, as I know it's used in the Old Testament.

 

[Shava]

Iv always been told by my grandmother before she died that our particular church (which is Church of Christ) doesn't believe in instruments. We have always sang accapella. Iv never minded but these days i think there's nothing wrong with it, i would even like instruments. As long as your using ti to worship God, who cares?..Just my two-cents anwyays

What you like and what God commands are totally different when it comes to how God commands us to worship. I also like instruments but again, it's not what I like or think when it comes to doing what God has commanded.

 

[KSublett]

We have noted that Psalm 150 is a HALAL: this form of "praise" intended to call in your god to help kill the people who worshipped another God.
Psallo has the same root meaning as SOP which Jesus "crumbled" for Judas. This was the SIGN for the Devil to take control of Judas who failed in his mission (Psalm 41).

A PSALM is a Song: a song can be read, recited, sung or sung with an instrument or played with an instrument alone.
ALL of the Bible makes certain that it takes THREE WORDS if you want to sing AND play (psallo) a harp. Psallo means to smite a STRING with your fingers and NOT with a guitar pick.

You violate the COMMAND included in Psallo (Psalm) if you use a guitar pick, blow a flute, beat on a drum, play a piano or organ.

Paul in Romans 14 outlawed doubtful disputations or discussion of private opinions. In Romans 15 that outlaws self-pleasure and any performance or performers who CONSUME all of the attention or worship which belongs to god. THEN you can obey the direct command from the wilderness onward to "use one mind and one mouth" to speak "that which is written for our learning." LEARNING is what a Disciple or Student does. Giving attention to God by giving attendance to His Word is the ONLY worship concept in the synagogue or church.

Jesus asks "could you not tarry with Me for one hour?" So, you have 167 hours left during the week to PAY someone to read the Bible for you or SING to you. You can sing, clap, play, dance or juggle but the ASSEMBLY is defined as an UNBRELLUM or a Safe House where Disciples of Christ can ESCAPE worship which is defined as trying to influence or entertain God so He will approve of you. God doesn't need humans: humans need God and His purpose is to EDUCATE you so that you are prepared to live in a spiritual dimension.

If you Play loud instruments (using one sound or one note) for sacrifices God never commanded as your pattern then you missed the concept of synagogue or ekklesia which was always A WORD OF GOD ONLY Reading Assembly.

 

[Nautilus]

1) There is no command in the New Testament for Christians to use instruments of music in the worship of the church.
2) There is no example in the New Testament of a church, apostle, teacher, or any Christian ever using an instrument in worship.
3) It is not of faith, therefore it is sin (Romans 14:23).
4) It is going beyond that which is written (1 Corinthians 4:6).
5) It violates the command to “sing” (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16).
6) Singing is commanded; the accompaniment of a musical instrument is an “addition” to this command, and therefore it is wrong (Rev. 22:18).
7) The use of the instrument in worship to God is a failure to “abide in the doctrine of Christ” (2 John 9).
8) Those who use the instrument in worship “reject” the authority of Christ (Matthew 28:19; Luke 6:46).
9) It cannot be done “in the name” (or by the authority) of Jesus (1 Corinthians 4:6; Colossians 3:17).
10) From the above evidences, the use of the instrument in worship is obviously not from Heaven, so it must be from men (Matthew 21:25).
From the above Scriptures, we can now “clearly” answer this question, “Can Christians use musical instruments in worship and still be pleasing to God?”

Oh so its mostly conjecture and interpretation about what the lack of mention on the subject could mean...gotcha.

 

[dcontroversal]

last thing and then Im done. Show us the verse specifically CONDEMNING instruments and Ill pay attention.

No doubt....but we can show the consistent use of instruments both past and future context as well as the consistency of God!

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Why does it have to be in the new testament?

Where does it say to discount all scriptures Jesus quoted all his life?
I thought we were to follow Jesus?
Jesus followed ever word of God of the old testament and told us to do it too.
Who invented this new testament only garbage?
Come out of Babylon.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Churches who only take certain chapters of the Bible are the devils church.

Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Acts 17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
Acts 17:13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.


old testament, my friend...

psalms no good for you?

Genesis to fanatical for you?

Dont believe in Noah?

Jesus did.
Jesus said this:
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Jesus said there was a noa and there was a flood

peter the first papa, he said this

2 Pet 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Pet 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
2 Pet 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;


your church teaches n
ew testament only because it id breaking the Bible commands and they dont want to know about it


time to get a new church.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

The correc Bible way to worship
is to KNEEL DOWN in the sancuatry and pray

that is the definition of WORSHIP
to KNEEL DOWN

if you stand in prayer, Jesus is not there...
look it up

Worship - TO KNEEL DOWN.

Psa 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

No church in the last 50 years worships God any more. . .
If you want to worship God correctly, you have to worship at home

 

[breno785au]

People, just let this horrible thread die.

Haha! I said something like that around about the first page.

 

[Tintin]

Haha! I said something like that around about the first page.

Really? Wow. Now it really needs to die.