Have you ever thought about the story of Jacob and Esau in comparison to the story of Cain and Able? Cain and Able fell out over the alter sacrifice, it was between them and God. It was between them and God, and then between each other. With Jacob and Esau, it was between them from before life birth, they had been competing before even their father got hold of them, and in the sense of God appearing in the story to speak directly to a character, in this one He doesn't appear, although he has to their father before their births. Jacob encounters and angel, which is a created being a little lower than God, as his father had encountered God, but Esau is a total secular humanist, all he thinks about is his dad, and getting the spiritual birthright blessing from him. I'm thinking this story illustrates the difference between God and man, through what happened to Abraham. He had the promise of Jehovah and was supposed to pass it on to his rightful heir. But how did that play out? Jacob is the heir, but Esau caused him a lot of problems and also caused grief to Abraham. How is Esau affecting us today, especially compared to Ishmael, about whom we hear a lot, because he is the father of the Islamic Arabs. But Esau and Ishamel are different, because they had different mothers. It's just something I'm thinking about.
Comparing stories in the Bible
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We're told how Cain was cursed to be a fugitive and a vagabond and the Land would no longer give him its strength, and the Lord marked him so that others would know not to harm him because of it. Cain sacrificed his crops to the Lord, as he probably didn't want to get a sacrifice from his brother, Able. By being a vagabond or wanderer Cain would have been unable to grow crops, but we see that he stopped wandering to build a city, Enoch, after his son. Cities don't just happen, especially with the limited number of people available in Cain and Able's day. He would have had to grow his crops over the course of many years before a city formed.
Nimrod was Ham's grandson and he was called a mighty hunter before the Lord. Shem, Noah's eldest, had a grandson who lived for 433 years. Ham was cursed by Noah that his son would be a servant of servants to his brothers. Scripture teaches that a curse was unto the third generation. Later on, we see Nimrod ruling over the descendants of the Ark; when he should have been a servant of servants. As a mighty hunter, Nimrod would hunt down anyone who tried to flee from his kingdom, putting him in direct to the Lord's commandment to replenish the earth and this went on for centuries. Until the tower of babel, which proved to be his downfall when the Lord confounded their language so they could no longer understand each other.
Nimrod was Ham's grandson and he was called a mighty hunter before the Lord. Shem, Noah's eldest, had a grandson who lived for 433 years. Ham was cursed by Noah that his son would be a servant of servants to his brothers. Scripture teaches that a curse was unto the third generation. Later on, we see Nimrod ruling over the descendants of the Ark; when he should have been a servant of servants. As a mighty hunter, Nimrod would hunt down anyone who tried to flee from his kingdom, putting him in direct to the Lord's commandment to replenish the earth and this went on for centuries. Until the tower of babel, which proved to be his downfall when the Lord confounded their language so they could no longer understand each other.
Cain is a rootless wonderer. Indeed, and also, Buddhist pamphlets from places like the Kadampa Meditation society, which is in Ballard west of North Seattle, talk about going out to homelessness, in the same style as Sidhartha of what is now Nepal. Sidhartha Gautama is supposed to be a historical Indian prince, and his whole following is based on leaving that lotus palace and wondering. It's literal, it's not just symbolic, I don't know how many people wonder what the lotus flower means, but there's one on the flag of Tibet, and a major monetary in Katmandu, which is said to be the palace that he was born in.
Cain departed to the Land of Nod, just east of Eden, which is apparently the land of the rivers mentioned in Genesis, where Baghdad is today in the "Fertile Crescent" in Iraq. India is east of there. A lot of people from inside of Buddhism consider Buddha a Canaanite, but they seldom say it overtly, as fond as they are of foreign languages, especially Sanskrit and Chinese. In lower Buddhist street culture, it comes out, another name for cannabis, which is spelled like it has something to do with Cain and Cannan, is also called Buddha. I guess when they "tune in, turn on and drop out" they also wake up.
From the perspective of Biblical literalism though, how is this possible, have you done the genealogy on it? I don't see why Cain's bloodline didn't die out in the flood.
Cain departed to the Land of Nod, just east of Eden, which is apparently the land of the rivers mentioned in Genesis, where Baghdad is today in the "Fertile Crescent" in Iraq. India is east of there. A lot of people from inside of Buddhism consider Buddha a Canaanite, but they seldom say it overtly, as fond as they are of foreign languages, especially Sanskrit and Chinese. In lower Buddhist street culture, it comes out, another name for cannabis, which is spelled like it has something to do with Cain and Cannan, is also called Buddha. I guess when they "tune in, turn on and drop out" they also wake up.
From the perspective of Biblical literalism though, how is this possible, have you done the genealogy on it? I don't see why Cain's bloodline didn't die out in the flood.
Jacob Vs Esau.... An ancient territorial dispute between brothers that will not be resolved until Jesus reigns on earth.
Esau;
• Sold his birthright but then was jealous of Jacob
• Planned to murder Jacob (Gen 27:41)
• Married a daughter of Ishmael. (Gen 28:8) The Ishmaelites already had a grievance against Isaac & Israel.
The Edomites are descendants of Esau and are a trouble to Jacob (Israel) to this day. They were chastised by God for trying
to stop Israel from entering the promised land. They refused Israel passage through their territory. (Num 20: 14-21)
They are still among the nations that surround Israel and oppose Israel's right to the land.
Latter days prophecies indicate that though Edom will escape the grasp of The Antichrist (The seed of the serpent) Dan 11:41
it won't escape the vengeance of The Lord. (Isa 34:9 , 63:1/ Obadiah/ Mal 1: 3-4/ Ez 25:12/ Amos 1:11/ Jer 49:7-22)
Edom today is part of the Islamic coalition against Israel. (Psalm 83:6)
Of course salvation through Jesus is offered to the descendants of Easu and many have been/will be saved.
Esau;
• Sold his birthright but then was jealous of Jacob
• Planned to murder Jacob (Gen 27:41)
• Married a daughter of Ishmael. (Gen 28:8) The Ishmaelites already had a grievance against Isaac & Israel.
The Edomites are descendants of Esau and are a trouble to Jacob (Israel) to this day. They were chastised by God for trying
to stop Israel from entering the promised land. They refused Israel passage through their territory. (Num 20: 14-21)
They are still among the nations that surround Israel and oppose Israel's right to the land.
Latter days prophecies indicate that though Edom will escape the grasp of The Antichrist (The seed of the serpent) Dan 11:41
it won't escape the vengeance of The Lord. (Isa 34:9 , 63:1/ Obadiah/ Mal 1: 3-4/ Ez 25:12/ Amos 1:11/ Jer 49:7-22)
Edom today is part of the Islamic coalition against Israel. (Psalm 83:6)
Of course salvation through Jesus is offered to the descendants of Easu and many have been/will be saved.
Nice. I'm still working on paralleling the two brothers specifically with Cain and Abel, though, for the sake of timeline and continuity in my reading. There are a few places in revelation where besides Jesus telling John that there will be signs and wonders in the heavens, including angels, plus the meaning of the beast visions and the many waters included in the visions, "Evil men will wax worse and worse." Part of history is moved along by we the people, and the course of human events effects a lot. God still operates solely on his own time, but the civil Kings, Annointed prophets, Patriarchs and High Priests part of the book centering on Israel is human action based. There are passages that tell you what your relationship is supposed to be with your own local state government too, a lot of the last judgement is "as his work shall be". That doesn't just mean his corporate employment, it refers to civic duties as well.
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