Concerning the gift of tongues

[Blain]

I believe the word "perfect" in 1 Corinthians means "mature" or "complete"..... not "perfect" as we humans view perfection.

well Paul was speaking about maturity and becoming mature from a child to an adult before he used the term perfect so it would make sense. some here think it means when the scriptures were complete even though the word says nothing of the sort

 

[GWH]

So I am curious about what a Pauline is, what are the core beliefs of one?

I wrote Paulian to put it in the same format as Christian.
A Christian believes the 205 teachings of Christ,
and a Paulian believes the 288 teachings of Paul.
[these are listed on the website]

Most Christians believe Christ inspired Paul and the other NT writers,
so most Christians are also Paulians, Peterians and Johnians.

Which prompts me to think that if I had had a second son,
maybe I would have named him John, and a third, Peter.
(GW was already taken :^).

 

[hornetguy]

I don't have TO PROVE TO YOU ANYTHING.

What was the purpose of the spiritual gifts, including healing, prophecy, etc....?

 

[CS1]

And you are?

the Word of God is and what I have provided in the text given.

 

[Blain]

I wrote Paulian to put it in the same format as Christian.
A Christian believes the 205 teachings of Christ,
and a Paulian believes the 288 teachings of Paul.
[these are listed on the website]

Most Christians believe Christ inspired Paul and the other NT writers,
so most Christians are also Paulians, Peterians and Johnians.

Which prompts me to think that if I had had a second son,
maybe I would have named him John, and a third, Peter.
(GW was already taken :^).

so your a follower of Paul in a sense then right? but you do place the teaching of Christ above it though right?

 

[Blain]

What was the purpose of the spiritual gifts, including healing, prophecy, etc....?

The same as it is today for the encouraging and edifying of the body

 

[CS1]

What was the purpose of the spiritual gifts, including healing, prophecy, etc....?

great qestion the word of God says in 1cor chapter 12 :



4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.


27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.


Chater 14 says:

14 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.


26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.


The gifts of the Holy Spirit are for the edifcation and comfort of the church body 1Corthains states.

 

[DJT_47]

Hmm... the NIV and NASB have "mature" here, not "perfect". In English, they are very different concepts.


Stretched beyond the breaking point. It is unreasonable to believe that Paul's second letter to the Corinthians contains the explanation for a concept presented in his first letter. You have made the error of anachronism. Further, you're making the argument that Gentile Christians (who are probably unfamiliar with the Old Testament scriptures) would know and understand an oblique reference to an obscure passage in the Torah.

For your argument to be sound, it must be cohesive, congruent, and complete. You've failed to address the incomplete knowledge and to identify either the "imperfect" or the "perfect" adequately.

Verse 8 notes the pending cessation of knowledge, prophecies (plural), and tongues, all of which are gifts presented in the latter verses of chapter 12. These are all revelatory gifts, and it makes "perfect" sense that when there is no more need for revelation, then revelatory gifts will cease. Are we there yet? No.

If we had full knowledge (as we are fully known), then we wouldn't need to study Scripture. We wouldn't need preachers, and we wouldn't need to debate the meaning and application of Scripture. We still know in part, and still need the revelation that (at times) comes through study and prayer.

We don't yet see face to face. We aren't yet fully mature. We will get there, but not in this season. God still gives revelatory gifts including tongues because His church still needs them.

You appear to be hung up on gifts, so I suggest you do a deep dive into how the gifts were made manifest. If you do, you find that the gifts, the miraculous manifestations of the Spirit, were imparted byvthe laying on of the apostle's hands; so thats bring the fact, its more possible that the manifestations ofvthe Spirit still exist today.

 

[DJT_47]

To us both then and now and future as long as "Christ tarries" (to quote a certain denom)

So, "the perfect" is what specifically? The great day of the Lord? The appearing of Christ? Christ? What is "the perfect"?

 

[DJT_47]

Yes. Over your head apparently. Ask the Holy Spirit. He is the One who enlightens us and makes the scriptures plain.

If that's the case, you must have been asleep when he knocked on your door to speak to you.

 

[GWH]

so your a follower of Paul in a sense then right? but you do place the teaching of Christ above it though right?

Yes, yes. What about you?

 

[Blain]

Yes, yes. What about you?

Oh I follow Jesus all the way I mean he allowed me to meet him several times in person so I better follow him not many can say they got to meet Jesus himself.

 

[GWH]

Oh I follow Jesus all the way I mean he allowed me to meet him several times in person so I better follow him not many can say they got to meet Jesus himself.

What about Paul?

 

[wolfwint]

Unfortunately for you, the Holy Spirit doesn't force you to do something you are not ready for. Nor does he make one obey.


No, Agnes Ozman was not the first. As you were shown repeatedly. She is one down through the church ages to receive. And scoff and mock, this was not magic. As I stated before, you only provide a regurgitated Cessationism talking point.

Why did she fast and pray? What text in the Word of God prompted her to do so?


The word of God says :

Jesus speaking:


8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [c]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”


Later, Peter said in chapter two :

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only [e]the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.


38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [k]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”


Agnes believed Jesus and the words of Peter given to him by the Spirit of God.

Your opinion and attack on those who are not here to defend themselves speaks greatly to your bias and ignorance.

Well, Peters quote of Joel was obiviously a part fulfillment. If you read Joel then you should also read the context and to whom Joel is speaking. Till yet this context is not fulfilled !!
And also cults claim to speak in tongues in the same way you do. If I am not wrong! F.e. many RCC speaking in tongues and in the same moment they pray to Mary and the saints and
defending the doctrines of the RCC .
Take the mormons or the new apostolic church. They useing also tonguespeaking.
Where is the different to your gift to speak in tongues?

 

[Blain]

What about Paul?

honestly that would be really neat but sadly no

 

[Blain]

Well, Peters quote of Joel was obiviously a part fulfillment. If you read Joel then you should also read the context and to whom Joel is speaking. Till yet this context is not fulfilled !!
And also cults claim to speak in tongues in the same way you do. If I am not wrong! F.e. many RCC speaking in tongues and in the same moment they pray to Mary and the saints and
defending the doctrines of the RCC .
Take the mormons or the new apostolic church. They useing also tonguespeaking.
Where is the different to your gift to speak in tongues?

the devil mimics God to mock him so it is no surprise that he has false tongues he even can heal for a price I once knew a lady who had cancer and she made a deal with the devil to have it cured well it was cured but she was soon struck by lightning and died
the difference between false tongues and real tongues is the power that is in it anyone can fake tongues only God can make you feel his power in it

 

[shittim]

The same as it is today for the encouraging and edifying of the body

And glory to Him!

 

[Blain]

So, "the perfect" is what specifically? The great day of the Lord? The appearing of Christ? Christ? What is "the perfect"?

Think about what Paul was speaking about before he used the term perfect or complete he was talking about maturity so it stands to reason that the perfect is when we are fully mature with Christ he spoke of knowing and seeing in part but then goes on to say but on that day I will see and know all so it seems to me that he was speaking of a certain day in which this perfect will happen

 

[CS1]

Well, Peters quote of Joel was obiviously a part fulfillment. If you read Joel then you should also read the context and to whom Joel is speaking. Till yet this context is not fulfilled !!
And also cults claim to speak in tongues in the same way you do. If I am not wrong! F.e. many RCC speaking in tongues and in the same moment they pray to Mary and the saints and
defending the doctrines of the RCC .
Take the mormons or the new apostolic church. They useing also tonguespeaking.
Where is the different to your gift to speak in tongues?

Show me don't tell me. Provide the chapter and verse please. You would not know cult if it bit you on the toe.

You do not know how I speak in tongues you arrogant Buffoon. You never seen me nor heard me so you assume what you don't know which makes you ignorant. 1, I am not RCC. You have issue with them take up with the pope. 2. I don't pray to Mary so go to RCC .com and make your point there. 3. I do not defend the doctrine of the RCC nor am I a member of them which makes you a liar.

Again you provide conjecture but no Biblical text to support your claim and for one who says they don't believe in the gift of The Holy Spirit you say what I do and believe and teach like a Prophecy that was given in false pretext.

 

[CS1]

the devil mimics God to mock him so it is no surprise that he has false tongues he even can heal for a price I once knew a lady who had cancer and she made a deal with the devil to have it cured well it was cured but she was soon struck by lightning and died
the difference between false tongues and real tongues is the power that is in it anyone can fake tongues only God can make you feel his power in it

He think the devil would heal cancer set people free . Just like the Arrogant Pharisees.

They said the same thing as he does in referring to The Lord Jesus " He cast out devils by the power of the devil." Jesus then said a kingdom divided against itself can't stand.

If the devil cast out devil how can the devil kingdom stand? IT CAN"T

THe devil does heal he kills. The Devil does Delivery people , he enslaves them. The devil doesn't restore them he destroys them. Just unbiblical hating modern day pharisees.