CONDEMNATION IS THE ROOT CAUSE

[royalscot]

Yes, I am. And when I sin I am glad I have an Advocate...I love to return to fellowship after I have sinned by confessing my sin...not by confessing my righteousness in Him

did you read rome 8
has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death

if your free from sin, why are you confessing your sin. you would need a law for sin.

not returning to unblief.

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace

 

[royalscot]

Agreed, it is a good thing. But when we have sinned, first things first...coming clean and confessing our sin. Hopefully we remain walking in the light and don't stray into dark areas to begin with.

do you have a scripture please to who told you, that you were a sinner.

my rome 5 12 - 21 was already in place ,before you opened the bible. so that would mean adams sin was fixed.

so unbelief or wrong translation of scripture, is the reason for this post.

 

[crossnote]

Well, you see, I believe Jesus became sin for us AS a man, and that sin probably had some of the same effect on Him that it does on us.

There are some people who like to imagine that Jesus was doing nothing more than walking around as God in a human body, and that nothing here on earth ever phased Him a bit. But I believe He experienced EVERYTHING that we experience (including being a bit confused about His identity and relationship when He BECAME sin), so that He could actually be a High Priest for the same mankind He willingly became for 33 years.

Scripture doesn't say he experienced everything we do but rather He was tempted in all points as we yet without sin.
He became sin as in a sin offering, sin was imputed to Him just as His righteousness is imputed to us.

 

[royalscot]

also an other root cause is wrongly dividing scripture.

rome 8 clearly show, believe in jesus as saviour,

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2

.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

having a correct stand with god, was given to a believer. not earned.Romans 5

now because of what jesus has given the believer, romans 8

dose not have a law, saved by his gift of grace

For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, .
for example
did not say, return to an old covenant, and work you way, back in to gods free gift of grace . etc

 

[crossnote]

Isn't that what all the heretic hunters say..."these are not my own opinions. They are Biblical facts"

There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic.

There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham. Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin..etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies"

There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.

Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics". "If people don't believe the way that they do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.."

It's the nature of the beast.

Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.

Nothing like slipping the suspect JP in the middle of some pretty decent teachers. LOL

 

[crossnote]

do you have a scripture please to who told you, that you were a sinner.

my rome 5 12 - 21 was already in place ,before you opened the bible. so that would mean adams sin was fixed.

so unbelief or wrong translation of scripture, is the reason for this post.

Since you asked...

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(Rom 3:23)

Read the preceeding verses and it will show how we/I have sinned.

 

[Grace777x70]

Nothing like slipping the suspect JP in the middle of some pretty decent teachers. LOL

LOL....I should have put my name and yours in there too....I'll do that next time....but wait there is no website about us - yet...lol...we can always be hopeful!.....it looks like it's a good sign though when they do make up a website about us.....living with the Lord is a great, joyfilled adventure!......

 

[royalscot]

Since you asked...

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(Rom 3:23)

Read the preceeding verses and it will show how we/I have sinned.

jumping about with a pogo stick. (time frame. )

short of the glory of God; and repenting of a law ,you were never given ,(act 15) only shows blindness to the whole.
making a statement shows the gift that god through jesus given to a believer.

The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.( gentiles) Romans 1

No One Is Righteous
9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin,10 as it is written:
"None is righteous, no, not one;

.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.


the thing about having the full story.

how did you come to first believe.

for example you need to believe in a god , to repent to god. would ask ware did you get your law from.

.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and thefree gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.



correct stand in god ,never came through repentance,

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2

 

[Blain]

I wonder who or what did tell them they were naked?...interesting...either way..the whole purpose of the OP which I now you know is about condemnation and it's destructiveness.

Aren't you glad that we have no condemnation in Christ? We have a great salvation in Him..don't we?

I also find it interesting that Eve added onto the word of God when she told the serpent " God told us not to eat of the tree nor to touch it"....maybe she touched it and found out that she didn't die and then thought..why not eat it?...

eve had good intentions however some of the worst things in history began with good intentions

 

[ukok102nak]

:8) try to think about this verse my breathrens
:read:
Genesis 3:22
And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now therefore lest perhaps he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.
23*And the Lord God sent him out of the paradise of pleasure, to till the earth from which he was taken.
24*And he cast out Adam: and placed before the paradise of pleasure Cherubims, and a flaming sword, turning every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

we just want to know if their is anyone here thought about that verse
if it is one of the comdemnation which happened on that time
after adam and eve became disobedient to god

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[God4me]

I have to call you on that one. I think you already know the Bible says that God never left Jesus for an instant.

The very fact that Jesus cried out, "My God why hath you forsaken Me", Tells you that God Left, Forsook and Abandoned Jesus.
Which separation from God is spiritual death, And if Jesus didn't die Spiritually, how come He was made alive in His Spirit, 1 Pet 3: 18. How come He was the firstborn from Spiritual death, Col 1: 18, We know that Jesus wasn't the first to be raised from physical death, as people in the Old Testament were raised from physical death, And Jesus raised the dead.
So Col 1: 18 means that Jesus was the first to be raised from Spiritual death,
He was the first to be born again, [Made alive Spiritually]

Jesus commended His Spirit to God, [trusting that God would raise His Spirit from Spiritual death].

(removed rudeness)

 

[SteelToedKodiak]

Joseph Prince is a false grace teacher, And part of Rom 8: 1, is a typical misquote that he would make,
he would leave the last part out, So instead he would quote it like this,

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ".

And leave out, "Who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit".
And as for Acts 20: 32, he leaves out,
"Among all them which are sanctifies".

He also quotes, Col 1: 22, "To present you holy and unblameable in His sight", but leaves out v23,
"IF ye continue in the faith".

Because he says doing those things are being legalistic and putting yourself back under the law.

AS for, "No condemnation", in Rom 8: 1. It's the only time that the Greek adds, "No dividing or separating".

So for those who walk after the Spirit, There is no condemnation, dividing or separating from the blessing we see in Rom 8.
V2, Free from the law of sin and death, [But not those who walk after the flesh],
V4, The meaning of, "The righteousness of the law", is, "Our legal rights", Those who walk in the Spirit can enjoy their legal rights, But not those who walk in the flesh.
So we need to find out what our legal rights are, and walk in the Spirit, and enjoy our rights in Christ.
V11, The Spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in us, and will keep our bodies healthy. [But those who are walking in the flesh, will have condemnation within themselves, and wont have confidence in the blessings of God. 1 Jn 3: 21--22.

You can read the rest of the blessings that those who walk in the Spirit will have, in the rest of Rom 8.

IMO- for those IN CHRIST, there is at minimum a detestable feeling when we do those things that are condemned. Which should lead to repentance and restoration to a state of non condemnation. Hopefully we get so tired of falling and allowing ourselves to burden the Holy Spirit that we gain a tiredness of the drudgery. Then we choose to change, like when I eat 5 pounds of my favorite food Mongolian BarBQ, extra spicy, there's a price and it aint pretty.

 

[Willie-T]

The very fact that Jesus cried out, "My God why hath you forsaken Me", Tells you that God Left, Forsook and Abandoned Jesus.
Which separation from God is spiritual death, And if Jesus didn't die Spiritually, how come He was made alive in His Spirit, 1 Pet 3: 18. How come He was the firstborn from Spiritual death, Col 1: 18, We know that Jesus wasn't the first to be raised from physical death, as people in the Old Testament were raised from physical death, And Jesus raised the dead.
So Col 1: 18 means that Jesus was the first to be raised from Spiritual death,
He was the first to be born again, [Made alive Spiritually]

Jesus commended His Spirit to God, [trusting that God would raise His Spirit from Spiritual death].

And if you know the Bible, You would know it's true.

Simply turn to the psalm Jesus was quoting, and read on down to verse 24, I believe it is.

 

[Ariel82]

Condemnation isn't the root cause of my or the world's issue. Sin and disobedience to God is.


The world isn't about me but about God...that is another root to many problems...when the focus is shifted from God to self.

We need a deeper relationship With and understanding of God and His will.

I prefer your words to Joseph Prince's

 

[Grace777x70]

Condemnation isn't the root cause of my or the world's issue. Sin and disobedience to God is.


The world isn't about me but about God...that is another root to many problems...when the focus is shifted from God to self.

We need a deeper relationship With and understanding of God and His will.

I prefer your words to Joseph Prince's

Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ who took the sin of the world away and we are free because of Him, so let's not listen to any condemnation from any place or anyone!

I prefer the words of the Lord who said " There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death."

Now that's what I call "good news"!

 

[Chester]

You said: "The Bible shows us that the most fundamental cause of problems in our lives is condemnation. With condemnation comes fear. Fear then induces stress which brings about the symptoms of the curse."

I agree that condemnation is a major problem: and it seems that you are talking about the in the life of an unbeliever.

2 questions to help me understand better:
(1) What do you mean by "condemnation" here?
(2) What is your Biblical basis for saying condemnation is the "fundamental" cause of problems?

not trying to be difficult here - I am just wanting to follow your thinking - I find your ideas here intriguing . . .

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You said: "The Bible shows us that the most fundamental cause of problems in our lives is condemnation. With condemnation comes fear. Fear then induces stress which brings about the symptoms of the curse."

I agree that condemnation is a major problem: and it seems that you are talking about the in the life of an unbeliever.

2 questions to help me understand better:
(1) What do you mean by "condemnation" here?
(2) What is your Biblical basis for saying condemnation is the "fundamental" cause of problems?

not trying to be difficult here - I am just wanting to follow your thinking - I find your ideas here intriguing . . .

The words belong to Joseph Prince.

 

[Ariel82]

The words belong to Joseph Prince.

Yep, but maybe he can explain what he thinks they mean.

 

[Grace777x70]

You said: "The Bible shows us that the most fundamental cause of problems in our lives is condemnation. With condemnation comes fear. Fear then induces stress which brings about the symptoms of the curse."

I agree that condemnation is a major problem: and it seems that you are talking about the in the life of an unbeliever.

2 questions to help me understand better:
(1) What do you mean by "condemnation" here?
(2) What is your Biblical basis for saying condemnation is the "fundamental" cause of problems?

not trying to be difficult here - I am just wanting to follow your thinking - I find your ideas here intriguing . . .

My thoughts on this is that condemnation can come to a believer if we don't know what Christ has done for us and it's affects can cripple us in experiencing the life Jesus came to bring for us and that He paid for our release from with His blood.

"My people perish for lack of knowledge".

Condemnation in Greek = punishment, condemned

The transgression of Adam brought condemnation - punishment. ( and justly so...)

Romans 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.

This condemnation word is the same Greek word in Romans 8:1 " There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus".

Those who are in Christ Jesus are the operative words. As we know what Christ did and that we are now in Him - the condemnation and guilt and shame that accompany sin will lose it's reality and affects on our souls and this knowledge will bring peace and life to us.

When we have condemnation put on us from any source - it brings fear and distorts our view of God, others and ourselves. When we do not factor in what Christ has done for us by taking sin away with His blood we can be stifled by lies. We can now walk free of the sin and by the Spirit of God within us put to death the deeds of the body and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Condemnation is the byproduct of sin which can be the fundamental root cause of problems that come with this condemnation.

Jesus' blood takes away the sin and the knowledge of that frees our minds from the condemnation of it and this knowing we are free from sin - this enables the empowering aspect of grace to flow in our lives to live outwardly who we are in Christ now - in our new creation - created in righteousness and holiness.

Sorry for the long answer - I just kept typing as thoughts came to me...

 

[Chester]

My thoughts on this is that condemnation can come to a believer if they don't know what Christ has done for us and it's affects can cripple us in experiencing the life Jesus came to bring for us and that He paid for our release from with His blood. "My people perish for lack of knowledge".

Condemnation in Greek = punishment, condemned

The transgression of Adam brought condemnation - punishment. ( and justly so...)

Romans 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.

This condemnation word is the same Greek word in Romans 8:1 " There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus".

Those who are in Christ Jesus are the operative words. As we know what Christ did and that we are now in Him - the condemnation and guilt and shame that accompany sin will lose it's reality and affects on our souls and this knowledge will bring peace and life to us.

When we have condemnation put on us - it brings fear and distorts our view of God, others and ourselves. When we do not factor in what Christ has done for us by taking sin away with His blood we can be stifled by lies. We can now walk free of the sin and by the Spirit of God within us put to death the deeds of the body and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Condemnation is the byproduct of sin which can be the fundamental root cause of problems that come with this condemnation.

Jesus' blood takes away the sin and the knowledge of that frees our minds from the condemnation of it and this knowing we are free from sin - this enables the empowering aspect of grace to flow in our lives to live outwardly who we are in Christ now - in our new creation - created in righteousness and holiness.

Sorry for the long answer - I just kept typing as thoughts came to me...

Thanks! That helps explain what was meant - but I guess also if the words were from Joseph Prince then you are really explaining his view - and you obviously agree.