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so true. Most of people populated by Christians believer although we were dominating the world but we should act as a follower or a true believer of GOD. I am proud and very fortunate that I am a true believer of GOD. Not by words but actions. GOD gave me this opportunity to follow him not just being titled as a christian but his true people.
Most churches today are under the condemnation of God for one reason, they are preaching a false gospel message and have taken the mark of the beast, I know many will disagree, but the false message is rampant and leading the masses astray!
Which Jesus does your church preach, the Jesus of the bible, or the Jesus that winks at sin and disobedience?
Truth today has been forgotten in the modern Christian society and has become more of a way of life for many, who sit under many false teachers who have constructed many false Christ's or another Jesus, totally different from the Jesus in the New Testament.
It’s easy to see this if you have any discernment what so ever!
Today we have designer clothes, designer shoes, designer homes and cars, along with a multitude of other designer electronics to appease the flesh in many ways!
But the great downfall today by far, is the many designer gospels, portraying a false Christ, unable to set them free from the bondages of sin. Instead they fashion their own Jesus that fits their lifestyle. They flock to the feel good churches, full of many varieties of fun and games, but void of any real truth.
Instead of man conforming himself to the commands of God man has God made out to be who they want Him to be, and flock to the churches that ask them to do nothing, but just receive Jesus, so what would happen if the cry was has Jesus received you?
Many people today will avoid any real truth as laid out in scripture concerning repentance and faith proven by deeds, and actually obeying Jesus, and conforming to His ways and commands. Instead they cling to their own false conceived notions, made popular through centuries of false reformed teachings, making Christianity a club to join, with many choices to fit into their lifestyle. Come one come all, the designer church today has it all except truth that will change a sinner’s heart to a real saint, following the real Jesus on the narrow road that leads to life.
This can be summed up as another Jesus, or a designer Jesus, followed by another gospel, because if you have Jesus wrong then you have the gospel wrong also!
The designer Jesus and gospel:
Man is born a sinner, totally depraved, and unable to do anything especially repent, and seek His mercy!
Jesus is their remedy, to cover them in their sins and disobedience, AKA substitution!
Jesus took their punishment or wrath on the cross for them, thus any form of repentance and faith is just a confession, or admittance they are born a helpless sinners, unable, and unwilling to repent as the real Jesus of scripture commanded!
Obedience doesn't matter whatsoever, in fact, if you do anything to add to your faith and obedience then grace is canceled!
Grace is unmerited favor while you struggle in your porn, drunkenness, fornication, worldliness, and utter disregard for heart purity and holiness, another words these things become mere suggestions over commands that will affect your final salvation!
Some teach God covers you so much in the righteousness of His son, that when a professing Christian is committing adultery, porn watching, lying, cheating, practicing homosexuality, they are invisible to God as they do these things because God doesn't see their wicked old heart, He sees Jesus!
That Jesus winks at their love OF the world and the lust of it, as they indulge themselves in the vain entertainments the world has made into their golden idols!
And mixing the holy with the profane is common and has no bearing on what Jesus thinks as the contemporary Christian world mixes the things of the world with God and truth, to draw others to their church, teaching them God winks at sin and worldliness, and compromise.
Jesus doesn't demand holiness and separation, it’s all a suggestion, because He took their place, as they accepted and received Him into their heart, and now they are sealed, nothing can remove them from the kingdom, even willful, presumptions sin, such as child molesting, fornication, homosexuality, and a host of other vile sins that the designer Jesus turns His back on!
There are many more scenarios that could be added to this but I hope you get the message that there are clearly two different gospels and Christ's being preached today, one is highly accepted by the vast majority of professing Christians, who have received the mark of the beast, where they are told you can sin like the devil, and still be saved, that nothing will disqualify them from the kingdom, as their behavior doesn't count because they were born sinners, the Romans wretch, and the chief of sinners just like the apostle Paul.
This is a tragedy of huge proportions, and those who come with the true Jesus and gospel, are instantly dismissed, called heretics, mean spirited, hateful, lacking any joy, and showing no mercy as they stand against the onslaught of false teaching making the real Jesus and gospel void and of no effect!
But there is another Jesus many have not heard of today, along with another gospel, that demands mankind to repent or perish, depart from iniquity, flee all immorality, love not the world, hate evil, love good, lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, be a doer of His word, love your neighbor as self, stand fast, endure to the end, be perfect in sincerity, purity and love, count the cost, deny self, seek first His kingdom, and His righteousness, come out from among her, be separate from the world and its vain attractions, be diligent in the word, die to sin, crucify the flesh with Christ, escape the corruption of the world through lust, wash yourselves, make yourselves clean, stop doing evil before God’s eyes, defend and contend earnestly for the faith, prove your repentance and faith by your deeds, and many more commands the real Jesus made clear as He boldly proclaimed to His followers that the road is narrow and difficult, and few will find it, He said to strive and agonize to enter the kingdom, and that He wouldn't do it for you, BUT give you all the power and strength to make your calling sure and overcome the world and its evil ways!
I want to stress, that when a truly repentant heart falls at the mercy of God, and this repentance is sincere and produces real godly sorrow, through a crisis of conviction, which we have free will and ability to do, then the power of God, along with His truth, and love floods into the heart, as He quickens and makes anew, a dead heart and life, and shows them His great love, power, and mercy.
This is the synergy the Bible talks about, where we work together with God in the redemption process, which is long forgotten today thanks to all the reformed errors that have made a designer Jesus and gospel, void and unable to free mankind from sin in any way!
Many will claim it doesn't matter when you repent, or it doesn't matter if you believe original sin, or imputation, or OSAS, etc., as long as you repent and come to a saving faith, but I say this is backwards as to the process clearly laid out in scripture, and those who claim they were saved another way, or have no problem with all the reformed and worldly teachings being sold for profit today, are lacking the spirit of truth! Because if they were being led by the spirit of truth, they would clearly see their errors, and I mean the big errors that contradict the Bible, and they would repent of their errors and defend against them.
Remember, a little leaven ruins the whole lump, and whoever doesn't abide in the doctrines of Christ doesn't have God, so be greatly aware what you believe and how you hear it, and get back to the real Jesus and gospel, where the truth was never compromised, and many saints of old died brutal deaths standing up for it, and walking the walk on the narrow road. knowing that they were accountable to God for their actions, and having an obedient faith that produced heart purity, as they walked in the spirit, giving no provision for the flesh,. Where they actually crucified their flesh with Christ once and for all, by repenting of all known sin, denying self and following Jesus on the narrow path.
God doesn't expect us to know it all, and has great patients for those who are believing the lie, but when His truth is revealed to them they have a choice, to adhere to it, seek it out with great passion and zeal, where God will reward those who diligently seek, and will reveal more and more to them, as they walk the crucified life of separation and heart purity.
Truth and error do not mix, seek the real Jesus and Gospel if you have bought into the lie, and remember doing the right thing through your heart isn't being self-righteous; it’s being obedient and faithful to our real King Jesus Christ, who came to set mankind free from sin and worldliness, to an obedient life on the narrow road!
Tommy
Which Jesus does your church preach, the Jesus of the bible, or the Jesus that winks at sin and disobedience?
A designer Jesus!
2Co 11:4 For if, indeed, the one coming proclaims another Jesus, whom we have not proclaimed, or if you receive another spirit, which you did not receive, or another gospel, which you never accepted, you might well endure these.
It’s easy to see this if you have any discernment what so ever!
Today we have designer clothes, designer shoes, designer homes and cars, along with a multitude of other designer electronics to appease the flesh in many ways!
But the great downfall today by far, is the many designer gospels, portraying a false Christ, unable to set them free from the bondages of sin. Instead they fashion their own Jesus that fits their lifestyle. They flock to the feel good churches, full of many varieties of fun and games, but void of any real truth.
Instead of man conforming himself to the commands of God man has God made out to be who they want Him to be, and flock to the churches that ask them to do nothing, but just receive Jesus, so what would happen if the cry was has Jesus received you?
Many people today will avoid any real truth as laid out in scripture concerning repentance and faith proven by deeds, and actually obeying Jesus, and conforming to His ways and commands. Instead they cling to their own false conceived notions, made popular through centuries of false reformed teachings, making Christianity a club to join, with many choices to fit into their lifestyle. Come one come all, the designer church today has it all except truth that will change a sinner’s heart to a real saint, following the real Jesus on the narrow road that leads to life.
This can be summed up as another Jesus, or a designer Jesus, followed by another gospel, because if you have Jesus wrong then you have the gospel wrong also!
The designer Jesus and gospel:
Man is born a sinner, totally depraved, and unable to do anything especially repent, and seek His mercy!
Jesus is their remedy, to cover them in their sins and disobedience, AKA substitution!
Jesus took their punishment or wrath on the cross for them, thus any form of repentance and faith is just a confession, or admittance they are born a helpless sinners, unable, and unwilling to repent as the real Jesus of scripture commanded!
Obedience doesn't matter whatsoever, in fact, if you do anything to add to your faith and obedience then grace is canceled!
Grace is unmerited favor while you struggle in your porn, drunkenness, fornication, worldliness, and utter disregard for heart purity and holiness, another words these things become mere suggestions over commands that will affect your final salvation!
Some teach God covers you so much in the righteousness of His son, that when a professing Christian is committing adultery, porn watching, lying, cheating, practicing homosexuality, they are invisible to God as they do these things because God doesn't see their wicked old heart, He sees Jesus!
That Jesus winks at their love OF the world and the lust of it, as they indulge themselves in the vain entertainments the world has made into their golden idols!
And mixing the holy with the profane is common and has no bearing on what Jesus thinks as the contemporary Christian world mixes the things of the world with God and truth, to draw others to their church, teaching them God winks at sin and worldliness, and compromise.
Jesus doesn't demand holiness and separation, it’s all a suggestion, because He took their place, as they accepted and received Him into their heart, and now they are sealed, nothing can remove them from the kingdom, even willful, presumptions sin, such as child molesting, fornication, homosexuality, and a host of other vile sins that the designer Jesus turns His back on!
There are many more scenarios that could be added to this but I hope you get the message that there are clearly two different gospels and Christ's being preached today, one is highly accepted by the vast majority of professing Christians, who have received the mark of the beast, where they are told you can sin like the devil, and still be saved, that nothing will disqualify them from the kingdom, as their behavior doesn't count because they were born sinners, the Romans wretch, and the chief of sinners just like the apostle Paul.
This is a tragedy of huge proportions, and those who come with the true Jesus and gospel, are instantly dismissed, called heretics, mean spirited, hateful, lacking any joy, and showing no mercy as they stand against the onslaught of false teaching making the real Jesus and gospel void and of no effect!
But there is another Jesus many have not heard of today, along with another gospel, that demands mankind to repent or perish, depart from iniquity, flee all immorality, love not the world, hate evil, love good, lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, be a doer of His word, love your neighbor as self, stand fast, endure to the end, be perfect in sincerity, purity and love, count the cost, deny self, seek first His kingdom, and His righteousness, come out from among her, be separate from the world and its vain attractions, be diligent in the word, die to sin, crucify the flesh with Christ, escape the corruption of the world through lust, wash yourselves, make yourselves clean, stop doing evil before God’s eyes, defend and contend earnestly for the faith, prove your repentance and faith by your deeds, and many more commands the real Jesus made clear as He boldly proclaimed to His followers that the road is narrow and difficult, and few will find it, He said to strive and agonize to enter the kingdom, and that He wouldn't do it for you, BUT give you all the power and strength to make your calling sure and overcome the world and its evil ways!
I want to stress, that when a truly repentant heart falls at the mercy of God, and this repentance is sincere and produces real godly sorrow, through a crisis of conviction, which we have free will and ability to do, then the power of God, along with His truth, and love floods into the heart, as He quickens and makes anew, a dead heart and life, and shows them His great love, power, and mercy.
This is the synergy the Bible talks about, where we work together with God in the redemption process, which is long forgotten today thanks to all the reformed errors that have made a designer Jesus and gospel, void and unable to free mankind from sin in any way!
Many will claim it doesn't matter when you repent, or it doesn't matter if you believe original sin, or imputation, or OSAS, etc., as long as you repent and come to a saving faith, but I say this is backwards as to the process clearly laid out in scripture, and those who claim they were saved another way, or have no problem with all the reformed and worldly teachings being sold for profit today, are lacking the spirit of truth! Because if they were being led by the spirit of truth, they would clearly see their errors, and I mean the big errors that contradict the Bible, and they would repent of their errors and defend against them.
Remember, a little leaven ruins the whole lump, and whoever doesn't abide in the doctrines of Christ doesn't have God, so be greatly aware what you believe and how you hear it, and get back to the real Jesus and gospel, where the truth was never compromised, and many saints of old died brutal deaths standing up for it, and walking the walk on the narrow road. knowing that they were accountable to God for their actions, and having an obedient faith that produced heart purity, as they walked in the spirit, giving no provision for the flesh,. Where they actually crucified their flesh with Christ once and for all, by repenting of all known sin, denying self and following Jesus on the narrow path.
God doesn't expect us to know it all, and has great patients for those who are believing the lie, but when His truth is revealed to them they have a choice, to adhere to it, seek it out with great passion and zeal, where God will reward those who diligently seek, and will reveal more and more to them, as they walk the crucified life of separation and heart purity.
Truth and error do not mix, seek the real Jesus and Gospel if you have bought into the lie, and remember doing the right thing through your heart isn't being self-righteous; it’s being obedient and faithful to our real King Jesus Christ, who came to set mankind free from sin and worldliness, to an obedient life on the narrow road!
Tommy
If there be indeed degrees of goodness from one church to another, it stands to reason there are degrees of evil in each. To ask anyone to choose between is the same as asking them to choose which level of evil they wish to tolerate in a given denomination.
In the members of the Body of Yeshua, Jesus, we seek to be perfected, and this perfection will be accomplished by the Master to willing members in His time for each. It is good to fellowship with any and all who call upon Yeshua, Jesus, in spirit and truth, but to ask any to accept any teaching added to the Gospel the Master taught and teaches would be an affront to the very Sacrifice of the Father, that being His Son, His Only Begotten Son, and our Lord, amen.
There is no mystery in this. What is being said here is do not go to church, be the church. In this manner one may fellowship with all who love Jesus, Yeshua.
In the members of the Body of Yeshua, Jesus, we seek to be perfected, and this perfection will be accomplished by the Master to willing members in His time for each. It is good to fellowship with any and all who call upon Yeshua, Jesus, in spirit and truth, but to ask any to accept any teaching added to the Gospel the Master taught and teaches would be an affront to the very Sacrifice of the Father, that being His Son, His Only Begotten Son, and our Lord, amen.
There is no mystery in this. What is being said here is do not go to church, be the church. In this manner one may fellowship with all who love Jesus, Yeshua.
By condemning other churches and pastors, one is at risk of falsely accusing and dividing the body of Christ, which is a sin. Some do not properly discern churches rather they associate church denominations, attack them all, and preach against them. This is great error.
Our job is to preach the salvation gospel (as Jesus instructed His disciples), set a good Christian example in our conduct, and leave the condemnation to the divine Judge.
Should disagreements in doctrine necessitate condemnation?
It is also not our responsibility to say which church is under God's condemnation.
Our job is to preach the salvation gospel (as Jesus instructed His disciples), set a good Christian example in our conduct, and leave the condemnation to the divine Judge.
Should disagreements in doctrine necessitate condemnation?
It is also not our responsibility to say which church is under God's condemnation.
There is no mystery in this. What is being said here is do not go to church, be the church. In this manner one may fellowship with all who love Jesus, Yeshua.
I pasted that above from my own previous post. I sometimes get the impression what I have said is not clear, so as an elaboration and clarification, what is meant by "be the church" is the fact that we are all living stones of the Body of Christ. The Head, Jesus, of course, is in heaven having been rejected by the builders. He will return and rebuild His temple.
I pasted that above from my own previous post. I sometimes get the impression what I have said is not clear, so as an elaboration and clarification, what is meant by "be the church" is the fact that we are all living stones of the Body of Christ. The Head, Jesus, of course, is in heaven having been rejected by the builders. He will return and rebuild His temple.
A
what do so many people have against going to church?
Yes we are the CHURCH the Body of Christ, but we also assemble together and fellowship and are renewed from the pressures of the world by attending church. I like hearing the Gospel proclaimed. I like hearing the Bible read to others who pray and listen to God's word. I like having a place where those with the Holy Spirit gather for the expressed purpose of worshiping God.
I don't like people teaching others NOT to go to church. One of Satan's methods is to DIVIDE and Conquer.
We stand UNITED as the Body of Christ. The local assemblies are here for a purpose. we need to learn to get along with one another even when we have differences. To have faith in God to help us overcome our flesh and our contentions. to allow God to work through us to shape each other into who He wants us to be.
James 4
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?
I was reading this today at church:
Proverbs 30
32 If you have been foolish in exalting yourself,
Or if you have devised evil, put your hand on your mouth.
33 For as the churning of milk produces butter,
And wringing the nose produces blood,
So the forcing of wrath produces strife.
Yes we are the CHURCH the Body of Christ, but we also assemble together and fellowship and are renewed from the pressures of the world by attending church. I like hearing the Gospel proclaimed. I like hearing the Bible read to others who pray and listen to God's word. I like having a place where those with the Holy Spirit gather for the expressed purpose of worshiping God.
I don't like people teaching others NOT to go to church. One of Satan's methods is to DIVIDE and Conquer.
We stand UNITED as the Body of Christ. The local assemblies are here for a purpose. we need to learn to get along with one another even when we have differences. To have faith in God to help us overcome our flesh and our contentions. to allow God to work through us to shape each other into who He wants us to be.
James 4
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?
I was reading this today at church:
Proverbs 30
32 If you have been foolish in exalting yourself,
Or if you have devised evil, put your hand on your mouth.
33 For as the churning of milk produces butter,
And wringing the nose produces blood,
So the forcing of wrath produces strife.
You did understand in my post the bottom line says to fellowship with all who are in Yeshua, Jesus? There is nothing saying not to fellowship in assemblies to worship Yahweh, God. I am guessing you did understand, but being posted immediately after my post, I felt it necessary to reiterate what was posted, thank you. God bless you always in Yeshua, Jesus..............
