Conditional Salvation

[Bride]

How have we really repented of something, if we continue in the same sin over and over?

Thats what I dont get.

That's how we are able to know a person, by their fruit. Someone who continually sins over and over again is a lost soul without Christ. By their fruit we shall know them.
Those who say they still presently sin are pleading for some help. We should be assisting them to turn from being a sinner to being a Saint, so that they can experience the beautiful Righteousness of Christ manifested in Power over these flesh bodies we inhabit, EXACTLY as Jesus overcame temptations in the flesh body He inhabited.
Strangely enough, many prefer to wallow in false humility, a strange religion of living in a state of continued hell of unstoppable sin. They reject that they can become sinless in Christ, and furthermore, persecute those who are, with railing falsehoods and turn-about accusations of sin. It is so sad

(2Pe 2:21)
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Well it's about dang time..lol.. took ya long enough.. that somebody finally is in agreement..lol jk

Hey I may be cheap but I ain't easy

 

[SeaBass]

What I find sad about all of this is that this separates Sister from Sister and Brother from Brother and Brother from Sister.
Those that liked you at first, won't even talk to you now, except maybe privately to their friends.
But we're not here/on this earth to "make friends" nor to get anyone to like us. We here to walk as He walked and go into all the world with His Word and let them know we're His disciples by our love for each other.

It's still all about love.

We love those who disagree with us and we love those who half agree with us and it's only because He loves through us - if we let Him .... and if we don't, we're not His 'according to the Scriptures'. Why can't we see those verses?

I appreciate those that can disagree and yet still give the impression or feeling in their words that they love the person.
Thanks to those that do love those they disagree with and those that are willing to post Scripture after they've examined the whole of His Word, even though they know that the opposing view-point people won't even read those verses, because they disagree with those verses in their heart.

But, halfing The Word of God/Word of Life is such an awfully gruesome thing to have on one's account, when those other books are opened with the Book of Life. Equally as bad as what the cat-of-nine-tails did to Jesus' back or pulling out of His beard or spitting on Him. And the same goes for not sincerely loving each other.

Time for us all is really much shorter than we think.

Can two walk together, except they be agreed?


I have no brothers or sisters that believe in eternal security.

Two opposite, contradictory mutually exclusive positions cannot be right, so someone is not following the truth of the bible.

Those in error will not be saved. The idea of "go along to get along" does not work and is condemned by the bible.

 

[Bride]

its called the flesh. Paul admitted he kept doing things he did not want to do. And praised God for what God did for him. He repented of those sins, Proven by the fact he knew they were sins. To say he would need to repent every time he committed them would be.... How can you repent on what you already agree is sin?? You can't

Most people commit sins and are not even aware of it.

This is gibberish.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is gibberish.

of course.

the things of God are foolish (jibberish) to those who are not his.

 

[SeaBass]

He said to them, “When you pray, say:
“ ‘Father,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
And lead us not into temptation. ’ ”

Christ forgives each and every person's sins therefore each and every person will be saved?

 

[Bride]

wrong..

God offers everyone salvation. But he is not going to force it on you. You have to take it in faith. But he is not going to make you work for it, If we could work for it He is a fool to send his son to die for us, because we could save ourselves.

again, you people amaze me

Nobody is saying anything about what you want to argue against sir. that is called building a straw-man to then kick it down.
Seabass' statement based on titus 2:11 is perfectly correct. The Grace of God has brought salvation to all men. Those who would receive it are saved.
THAT is the condition.

(Mar 16:16)
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[Bride]

Can two walk together, except they be agreed?


I have no brothers or sisters that believe in eternal security.

Two opposite, contradictory mutually exclusive positions cannot be right, so someone is not following the truth of the bible.

Those in error will not be saved. The idea of "go along to get along" does not work and is condemned by the bible.

I have "eternal security" in Christ Jesus Those who don't know that, are those who either haven't heard the Gospel, or they for some reason "draw back"...

(Heb 10:38)
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
(Heb 10:39)
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nobody is saying anything about what you want to argue against sir. that is called building a straw-man to then kick it down.
Seabass' statement based on titus 2:11 is perfectly correct. The Grace of God has brought salvation to all men. Those who would receive it are saved.
THAT is the condition.

(Mar 16:16)
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

except you forget one thing.

Sea bass is making conditions works, which people must physically do, and can take credit for.

Having faith in someone to completely save you, because you are totally helpless is not something you can be proud of, or even take credit for. it takes complete humility, which is what God demands.

No one will be saved unless they do this.

if your still trying to work (water baptism, Church membership, stopping sin etc etc etc) you have yet to reach this state of humility, Your still to self focused trying to save yourself.

 

[SeaBass]

wrong..

God offers everyone salvation. But he is not going to force it on you. You have to take it in faith. But he is not going to make you work for it, If we could work for it He is a fool to send his son to die for us, because we could save ourselves.

again, you people amaze me

Tts 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"

If God's saving grace that hath appeared to all men is unconditional, then why would not all men be saved?

You say "God offers everyone salvation. But he is not going to force it on you. You have to take it in faith"

So you made receiving salvation/grace CONDITIONAL upon having faith.

So some here need to make up their mind if salvation is or is not conditional.

 

[Bride]

of course.

the things of God are foolish (jibberish) to those who are not his.

I forgive you, again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have "eternal security" in Christ Jesus Those who don't know that, are those who either haven't heard the Gospel, or they for some reason "draw back"...

(Heb 10:38)
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
(Heb 10:39)
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

so you do not have eternal security, because you have absolutely no way to know that you would never draw back. Your not God, neither are you omniscient. so you have no security at all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I forgive you, again.

forgive me for what? stating the obvious?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Tts 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"

If God's saving grace that hath appeared to all men is unconditional, then why would not all men be saved?

You say "God offers everyone salvation. But he is not going to force it on you. You have to take it in faith"

So you made receiving salvation/grace CONDITIONAL upon having faith.

So some here need to make up their mind if salvation is or is not conditional.

dude, it says the grace of God has appeared to all men.

it does not say all have taken it.

GRACE.

You do not teach grace, you teach works..

 

[Bride]

except you forget one thing.

Sea bass is making conditions works, which people must physically do, and can take credit for.

Having faith in someone to completely save you, because you are totally helpless is not something you can be proud of, or even take credit for. it takes complete humility, which is what God demands.

No one will be saved unless they do this.

if your still trying to work (water baptism, Church membership, stopping sin etc etc etc) you have yet to reach this state of humility, Your still to self focused trying to save yourself.

Another lie against seabass. No he isn't. Again, it is just you creating straw men to fight against. Have you any form of righteousness whatsoever? Oh, I forgot, you live a sinful life you said, unable to draw out of. Therefore you HAVE to attack sons of God to make yourself feel better. I get it. The "fruit" is obvious

 

[SeaBass]

see how these people are? if one could obey and do good works to be righteous, WE WOULD NOT NEED CHRIST.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

1) What verse says doing unrighteousness makes one righteous? No such verse exists but that idea is what the faith only crowd tries to add to the bible.

2) whose obedience will be so perfectly sinless that he will not need Christ?

Lk 10:17 "So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."

Even after one does what is his duty to do he is still an unprofitable servant for he is not perfectly sinless but still in need of a perfect Saviour/Sacrifice for his sins.

Obedience to Christ is why one is clothed in Christ, Gal 3:27 clothed in His perfect righteousness and one must continue to obey/walk in the light to continue to have Christ's blood cleanse away all sins leaving the Christians blameless and spotless.


No verse says no works/doing nothing/faith only clothes one in Christ's perfect righteousness nor keeps one in Christ's perfect righteousness.


Who here is the unprofitable servant doing that which is his duty to do?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Another lie against seabass. No he isn't. Again, it is just you creating straw men to fight against. Have you any form of righteousness whatsoever? Oh, I forgot, you live a sinful life you said, unable to draw out of. Therefore you HAVE to attack sons of God to make yourself feel better. I get it. The "fruit" is obvious

lol. Maam you have not been here long, Sea bass has been here for along time.

Yes he is, He is adding the WORK of water baptism to the gospel.

that is a gospel of WORKS not grace.

he also teaches you can lose salvation, if you can lose salvation, then you have to work for it.

 

[SeaBass]

I have "eternal security" in Christ Jesus Those who don't know that, are those who either haven't heard the Gospel, or they for some reason "draw back"...

(Heb 10:38)
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
(Heb 10:39)
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

As long as one CONDTIONALLY remains "in Christ" he will for certain be saved. But what happens to those that "draw back unto perdition" falling away from Christ in unbelief? Be saved anyway?

 

[Bride]

so you do not have eternal security, because you have absolutely no way to know that you would never draw back. Your not God, neither are you omniscient. so you have no security at all.

Well maybe YOU might draw back. Is your faith is diseased or something? My confidence and boldness in Christ is as an Anchor of the Soul, as being Built upon the Rock. May faith is firmly secure in the Oath that God Sword and the Promises He's made to me on top of that.

(Heb 6:17)
Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
(Heb 6:18)
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

(Heb 6:19)
Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
(Exo 33:21)
And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

(Eph 2:20)
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
(1Sa 2:2)
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.


Anyone who doesn't have this rock solid confidence, is as this;

(Mat 7:26)
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

 

[MidniteWelder]

That's how we are able to know a person, by their fruit. Someone who continually sins over and over again is a lost soul without Christ. By their fruit we shall know them.
Those who say they still presently sin are pleading for some help. We should be assisting them to turn from being a sinner to being a Saint, so that they can experience the beautiful Righteousness of Christ manifested in Power over these flesh bodies we inhabit, EXACTLY as Jesus overcame temptations in the flesh body He inhabited.
Strangely enough, many prefer to wallow in false humility, a strange religion of living in a state of continued hell of unstoppable sin. They reject that they can become sinless in Christ, and furthermore, persecute those who are, with railing falsehoods and turn-about accusations of sin. It is so sad

(2Pe 2:21)
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

I totally agree with you too here.
I notice more of:
you're a sinner, Imma sinner, he's a sinner and promoting more of a we're all a sinner in the righteousness of Christ club.
It looks like Hyper-Grace doctrine claiming only the good parts but throwing out the parts we don't like.
Sort of like claiming the rights of marriage without actually being married.
When we should be standing for the righteousness of Christ...in our actions.
Christ gave us the same spirit he had when he walked in the flesh fully as man.
It doesn't mean we're perfect, or better than anybody else.
It just means we exhibit the Faith of who we serve by our actions without compromise.
The righteousness of Christ is something we should not be made to be ashamed of simply because others may project the guilt of their own sin onto us.
(ie: If I can't stop sinning there's no possible way you can neither)
Well that's precisely why the blind cannot lead the blind
Why an alcoholic cannot lead another alcoholic
They can both admit they're an alcoholic and need help.
But it doesn't mean God cannot deliver them from it, or that there aren't others who have been freed.