CONFESSING YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS PLEASES GOD

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Chuckt said:
Except that dead doesn't mean dead in the Bible. I learned this from studying annihilationism. Death is separation from God.
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That is a sense of dead/death, Chuckt, correct. But, when it comes to being dead and/or separated from God, then there is a perspective to consider... whose perspective is without controversy, God's. And this is a great thing to consider, "even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were."


[SUP]12 [/SUP]That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world


[SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.


So, from God's perspective those identified in Christ are reconciled, a new creature God is currently forming for a vocation in His household. You have seen were scripture says we are citizens of heaven;

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.
 
This is a view of grace and Jesus and I for one hold to it. Without Jesus there is no grace.

Is Grace a Person?

“You make it sound like there’s a fourth member of the Trinity called Grace.”

We’re simply saying that God gives us his grace through his Son. Jesus came full of grace from the One who sits on the throne of grace. He is the personification of the Father’s grace. No Jesus, no grace. Know Jesus, know grace.

“But isn’t it weird to say grace has a personality?”

Maybe, but it’s not without Biblical basis. In Romans Paul describes sin as having a personality. He says sin is a noun (not a verb) characterized by desires and an agenda. In fact, everything the Bible says about sin is true of Satan. Both sin and Satan seek to devour us (Gen 4:7, 1 Pet 5:8) and kill us (Rom 7:11, John 8:44), and both have been defeated by Jesus (Heb 9:26, John 12:31).

Just as sin is synonymous with Satan, grace is synonymous with Jesus. Here are some reasons why.

Why is grace another name for Jesus?


  1. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus (Acts 20:24 2 Th 1:8).


  1. We are saved by grace (Eph 2:5); we are saved by Jesus (2 Tim 1:9).
We are justified by grace (Rom 3:24); we are justified by Jesus (Rom 4:25).


  1. Grace helps us; Jesus helps us (Heb 4:16).
  2. God’s grace offers salvation to all (Tit 2:11); Jesus is the Savior of all (1 Tim 4:10).
  3. God is love and love that stoops (or comes down) is grace; Jesus is the Father’s love come down (John 16:28).
  4. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9) and the Spirit of Grace (Heb 10:29).
  5. All the blessings of God come to us by grace alone and all of them are found in Jesus (Eph 1:3).
  6. Grace is a teacher (Tit 2:12); Jesus is a teacher (Matt 8:19).
  7. Grace reigns (Rom 5:21); Jesus reigns (1 Cor 15:25).
  8. When the Galatians cut themselves off from Christ, they cut themselves off from grace (Gal 5:4).
  9. In the same way that God is love, Jesus is grace (see 2 Cor 13:14).
  10. The Bible speaks of “the love of God” and “the grace of Jesus” ( 1Cor 16:23, Rev 22:21).
  11. God’s grace is given in Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 1:4, Eph 1:6, 2 Tim 1:9, 2:1). Jesus is the embodiment of God’s grace.
  12. Here are two Biblical blessings that say the same thing: “The Lord be with you” and “grace be with you” (2 Tim 4:22, Phm 1:25).
  13. The Old Testament prophets foretold the coming of Jesus and the coming of grace (1 Pet 1:10). These weren’t two separate events. Grace came when Jesus came (John 1:17).
  14. To the degree that we know Jesus, we enjoy God’s grace (2 Pet 1:2)
  15. Jesus is the word of God and the word of his grace which can build you up (Act 20:32)



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Why does it matter?

This matters a great deal because grace will not bear fruit in your life if you think it is merely a concept or a doctrine. As Judah Smith said recently:

We shudder at the term grace because it has been so maligned, so abused, so misrepresented. We see grace as the get out of jail free card. “Oh yeah, I love me some grace man. I get my jiggy on in the weekend then I come back on Sunday and get me my grace on.” No, that’s not grace. You’ve met a concept, not a Person.”


I regularly encounter people who don’t know what grace is so they misuse it or they attack it. Just the other day someone wrote to tell me that too much preaching on grace leads to wrongdoing. That’s simply not possible when you have a proper understanding of grace. Grace no more leads to wrongdoing than love for your spouse will lead you to Ashley Madison.


The other day I happened to catch a prominent TV evangelist tearing my stuff to shreds on his program. (Watched by millions!) It’s nice to be noticed but I was saddened that he was using his platform to disparage the only thing that can empower people to live well.

I occasionally get asked by pastors to come and preach a sermon or run a seminar on grace because they recognize it as a hot topic. It makes me wonder what they’re preaching when they’re not preaching grace. Jesus is not a “hot topic” or a buzzword to be slotted into your teaching schedule. He’s the Lover of our souls and the Center of Everything!


What grace is not


Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.

Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.

The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!

Here is the link for the article....there are comments at the bottom where people can ask questions..


Is Grace a Person? – Escape to Reality
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Without Jesus there is no grace.
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Without the word made flesh, without the promises of God, without a lot of factors we could say things about "grace", but is grace a person, no. God calls Himself many things in the Scripture, though. God is Love. Is truth a person? Without Jesus in the flesh does truth exist, yes... does life eternal exist, yes.

Life was manifest with power by grace, which is the promise of God the Father and the faith of the Godhead. God the Father vests in the Son and the Son believes the Father, trusts and loves the Spirit. Is the way I understand the term "full of grace and truth", the gift of God and the scripture "Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ". There are to many scriptures that have to be isolated to say or believe grace is a person, imo.

Grace and the grace of God, are these two separate realities or concepts, maybe?
 
Complete_In_Him said:
Without the word made flesh, without the promises of God, without a lot of factors we could say things about "grace", but is grace a person, no. God calls Himself many things in the Scripture, though. God is Love. Is truth a person? Without Jesus in the flesh does truth exist, yes... does life eternal exist, yes.

Life was manifest with power by grace, which is the promise of God the Father and the faith of the Godhead. God the Father vests in the Son and the Son believes the Father, trusts and loves the Spirit. Is the way I understand the term "full of grace and truth", the gift of God and the scripture "Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ". There are to many scriptures that have to be isolated to say or believe grace is a person, imo.

Grace and the grace of God, are these two separate realities or concepts, maybe?
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I don't make a doctrine out of it..it's just my personal belief that grace and Jesus are synonymous as outlined by the scriptures in that post.

Jesus does say that He is Truth. ( John 14:6 ) God is love. ( 1John 4:8 ) so there is some precedent there. But in the scheme of things it's irrelevant .

I brought this article up once but I haven't talked about it since then. It's just a personal belief - not a doctrine....:)

What about the new creation in Christ? Does the new man in Christ have a new inner man created in Christ in righteousness and holiness? This is the real issue that is being attacked by the poster you are dealing with that brought this up to you.....not that grace is a person thoughts......:)
 
Complete_In_Him said:
Without the word made flesh, without the promises of God, without a lot of factors we could say things about "grace", but is grace a person, no. God calls Himself many things in the Scripture, though. God is Love. Is truth a person? Without Jesus in the flesh does truth exist, yes... does life eternal exist, yes.
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I agree grace is not a person. But I did tell you that's what false-grace (hyper grace) folks believe, and grace777x70 has verified this. Prince went so far to say that grace is our mother, i.e., god the mother. So the quote that you said was the product of a corrupt mind is actually correct.
 
LOL....

There is no such thing as grace being our mother....god the mother...LOL..what lies and slander...I encourage everyone to check for themselves what is really being said as it is a known fact some people "twist" what is really being said and take things out of context. I have never heard Prince say any such nonsense.

Some people are just so full of malice and hate that it affects them negatively.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
LOL....
There is no such thing as grace being our mother....god the mother...LOL..what lies and slander...I encourage everyone to check for themselves what is really being said as it is a known fact some people "twist" what is really being said and take things out of context. I have never heard Prince say any such nonsense.
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Mother Grace @ 2:21

[video=youtube;VcHo-FIp7eE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcHo-FIp7eE[/video]
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
I agree grace is not a person. But I did tell you that's what false-grace (hyper grace) folks believe, and grace777x70 has verified this. Prince went so far to say that grace is our mother, i.e., god the mother. So the quote that you said was the product of a corrupt mind is actually correct.
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HeRose,

People are people, false-grace, hyper-grace, Prince, MAD, etc, is a broad brush. There are so many types of "grace believers", or dispensational schools of thought, just be careful not to harden your heart to the gift of grace and the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus, pursue the truth in all honesty. If something is different, it is not the same.

God bless you and keep you.
 
Complete_In_Him said:
HeRose,

People are people, false-grace, hyper-grace, Prince, MAD, etc, is a broad brush. There are so many types of "grace believers", or dispensational schools of thought, just be careful not to harden your heart to the gift of grace and the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus, pursue the truth in all honesty. If something is different, it is not the same.

God bless you and keep you.
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well said....there are many of us that are praying for HeRose and expecting the best for him as he learns about the awesomeness of our Lord's love and grace for him. Our Lord will be faithful to him.

Thank you for showing a heart of grace. It shows the true nature of our Lord to us.
 
Grace777x70 said:
I don't make a doctrine out of it..it's just my personal belief that grace and Jesus are synonymous as outlined by the scriptures in that post.

Jesus does say that He is Truth. ( John 14:6 ) God is love. ( 1John 4:8 ) so there is some precedent there. But in the scheme of things it's irrelevant .

I brought this article up once but I haven't talked about it since then. It's just a personal belief - not a doctrine....:)

What about the new creation in Christ? Does the new man in Christ have a new inner man created in Christ in righteousness and holiness? This is the real issue that is being attacked by the poster you are dealing with that brought this up to you.....not that grace is a person thoughts......:)
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I see the Holy Spirit as a woman named Wisdom. ;)
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Mother Grace @ 2:21

[video=youtube;VcHo-FIp7eE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcHo-FIp7eE[/video]
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LOL..talk about taking things out of context and trying to make it look like a doctrine...how slanderous and malice filled is that now.......my goodness......our enemy just hates grace, for it is the power of God for salvation and life in Christ....:)
 
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Complete_In_Him said:
HeRose,

People are people, false-grace, hyper-grace, Prince, MAD, etc, is a broad brush. There are so many types of "grace believers", or dispensational schools of thought, just be careful not to harden your heart to the gift of grace and the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus, pursue the truth in all honesty. If something is different, it is not the same.

God bless you and keep you.
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I know. That's why I witness against false-grace.
 
Stunnedbygrace said:
I see the Holy Spirit as a woman named Wisdom. ;)
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Several of the 7 spirits in Isaiah 11:1 are described as women in proverbs (e.g., understanding, knowledge, wisdom).

I think the early church moved away from this idea when it was fighting gnostic infiltration of the church in its first several centuries, and considered the holy spirit male. The Christian gnostics believed that the holy spirit was GOD the mother (wisdom, Sophia).
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Several of the 7 spirits in Isaiah 11:1 are described as women in proverbs (e.g., understanding, knowledge, wisdom).

I think the early church moved away from this idea when it was fighting gnostic infiltration of the church in its first several centuries, and considered the holy spirit male. The Christian gnostics believed that the holy spirit was GOD the mother (wisdom, Sophia).
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That's interesting!

I think of the Holy Spirit that way but it's not something I would spend my life trying to show from scripture or demand that other people think of The Holy Spirit the same way. :) (I also keep calling Grace777 a she because he is so gentle and I equate gentleness with women. HAHA! Poor Grace777)

I would also hope that someone would never take what I said about how I sometimes think of the Holy Spirit and present it as, she is a false teacher because she preaches the doctrine that God is a woman!

I don't think Prince was exegetin' (is that a word...?) :)in that short clip.
 
But I've definitely been listening to a lot of Princes sermons so if there's false thoughts about God in them I'm sure I'll run across them.
 
Stunnedbygrace said:
That's interesting!

I think of the Holy Spirit that way but it's not something I would spend my life trying to show from scripture or demand that other people think of The Holy Spirit the same way. :) (I also keep calling Grace777 a she because he is so gentle and I equate gentleness with women. HAHA! Poor Grace777)

I would also hope that someone would never take what I said about how I sometimes think of the Holy Spirit and present it as, she is a false teacher because she preaches the doctrine that God is a woman!

I don't think Prince was exegetin' (is that a word...?) :)in that short clip.
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LOL..yep..still male...it's ok..I get that quite often actually.

Of course Prince was just using the term "mother" as an analogy. The heretic hunters "twisted" his words to make it look like a doctrine. The poster here that brought this slander up called it "god the mother". On the heading of the video it's called "Joseph Prince introducing Mother Grace doctrine..".....what garbage and slander. See how things can get "twisted" when taken out of context.

The person that made up that video should be ashamed of themselves. It's is so ungodly in behavior.

Make no mistake about it..there is an all out attack being made on the gospel of the grace of Christ from our enemy! BUT here's the good news...we win! He is mighty to save! Nothing can stop the gospel of the grace of Christ from being preached for it is the power of God for salvation to all of us who believe.
 
Stunnedbygrace said:
But I've definitely been listening to a lot of Princes sermons so if there's false thoughts about God in them I'm sure I'll run across them.
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Amen...I don't agree with everything any preacher says but as far as the grace of Christ...he is spot on!...does he not always lift up Jesus in his teaching? ..personally I listen to many different teachers and find that the Holy Spirit leads me to the one I need to hear what the Lord is talking to me about. It's great!
 
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Yeah, I just scratched my head over the video like, this is all they could come up with...? It's pretty weak, in my opinion. It made me laugh actually. You know by now, because we've talked in here, that I have my "big thing" just like everyone else, which is using our Lords words to try to enslave people again to law instead of allowing us the freedom to walk in the Spirit that He bought for us. I just look at attacks like that video as more of the same. :(
 
Stunnedbygrace said:
Yeah, I just scratched my head over the video like, this is all they could come up with...? It's pretty weak, in my opinion. It made me laugh actually. You know by now, because we've talked in here, that I have my "big thing" just like everyone else, which is using our Lords words to try to enslave people again to law instead of allowing us the freedom to walk in the Spirit that He bought for us. I just look at attacks like that video as more of the same. :(
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I know...the stuff the heretic hunters come up with. LOL There is a heretic false teacher site on the internet for every person that is known. Billy Graham, Spurgeon. Luther, Charles Finney, Charles Stanley - you name them..there is a site dedicated to discredit them.

The real purpose of that video was to slander the gospel of the grace of Christ by "twisting" words and then "adding" their own words to "create" an appearance of doctrine that is in fact not true at all.

I am seeing your "big thing" and I agree with it too..the hard part is applying it. I just listened to a teaching on that today. .we need the grace of God for that too!...:)
 
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