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[Dorcas]

I had asked this question on another place but it was the wrong one, so here I am again with the same question. I am confused about where we go when we die. I know there is a heaven and hell, I know that for sure. It's just do we automatically go there right after death, or do we just go to sleep until jesus comes again and then we will be judged and be sent where we are destined to be then on. Does it say that in the bible anywhere. That the dead will walk among the living and there is going to be a new heaven.


If we don't go straight there then why do preachers talk about it and at funerals they talk about how the dead are in heaven watching over us now. I hope that someone can help me to understand this better.

Tella

At Colossians 1:18 it tells us that Jesus was the first born of the dead. Meaning out of all the people who had died before him he was the first one to be resurrected to heaven. Another scripture that backs this up is John 3:13 it says: Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man. So at the time this scripture was written no man who died had ever ascended to heaven.

Before Jesus died he said at John 14:3 if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be. Therefore the dead would be in the grave until Jesus prepared a place for them. The scripture says this would occur when Jesus comes again. Jesus comes again during the “last days” so when we die we are in the grave, awaiting a resurrection as it says at John5:28,29.
(John 5:28, 29) . . .Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
I don't know of a scripture that refers to dead walking among the living. If there is one it would have to be symbolic. The following two scriptures tell us about the condition of the dead. It would be impossible for the dead to walk.


(Ecclesiastes 9:5) “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”
[FONT=&quot](Ecclesiastes 9:10)[/FONT][FONT=&quot] . . .Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.
Revelation 21:1 speaks about a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and earth have passed away. Again this is symbolic. It does not agree with the following scriptures:[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot](Psalm 104:5)[/FONT][FONT=&quot] . . .He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from its place forever and ever.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] . .[/FONT]
(Isaiah 45:18) For thus says the Lord—Who created the heavens, God Himself, Who formed the earth and made it, Who established it and did not create it to be a worthless waste; He formed it to be inhabited.
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
I hope my answer has been helpful. Have a nice day.


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[fredjames]

Heaven is different than paradise. Jesus told the thief on the cross TODAY you will be with Me in paradise.

Well, let's just see if that holds up...

2Co 12:1 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
2Co 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
2Co 12:4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Heaven and Paradise are the same place.[/QUOTE]

Thank you dearly beloved for a reminder and a stir up of memory in your Holy Scripture quote. And dearly beloved kaycie and my spiritual understanding comes from these cross-references;

1. Luke 23;43 - And HE(JESUS) said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."

2. Revelation 2;7 - He who has and ear let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the churches,, "To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is n the paradise of GOD." [Genesis 2;8 - And the LORD GOD planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there HE put the man whom HE had formed. (and verse 9 - And out of the ground the LORD GOD made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The 'Tree of Life' was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

As it is written in justification that, paradise and the garden planted in Eden are referred to the same place by GOD's Word(CHRIST) in the Holy Bible and the 'Tree of Life' our LORD GOD made to sprung up is there in that garden. And it also refers to as a waiting place for some, who were taken up, even the thief on the cross beside JESUS and with JESUS and it is the LORD's will that the thief shall be there and no one can question HIM about that, as also referring witnessing written in the Gospel of John that, Peter ask JESUS, "What about him(John)?". And JESUS replied, "What is it to you(Peter) if I want him(John) to live until I return."

 

[hisham]

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]yes a lot of things happen after death not directly the destination[/FONT]

 

[veryelect]

I had asked this question on another place but it was the wrong one, so here I am again with the same question. I am confused about where we go when we die. I know there is a heaven and hell, I know that for sure. It's just do we automatically go there right after death, or do we just go to sleep until jesus comes again and then we will be judged and be sent where we are destined to be then on. Does it say that in the bible anywhere. That the dead will walk among the living and there is going to be a new heaven.

If we don't go straight there then why do preachers talk about it and at funerals they talk about how the dead are in heaven watching over us now. I hope that someone can help me to understand this better.

Tella

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.