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fredjames

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WS, frankly I disagree with almost everything you say, and I don't care to go round and round over it all. Messiah was the firstfruit, and He had not ascended yet when He was first seen after He arose. Those who came out of the grave we are not told, but I suspect it was like the others Messiah raised from the dead, because of John 1:13 for 1.

John 3:13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.

as for the rest of what you say, fine, whatever.

You may disagree all you want and you have the right to do so. But i too disagree with you how can a dead person died and buried for many years, not knowing the remains or will there be, at the day of being raised to life and taken up.

Moreover the ones JESUS raised up were still in their body, who were at least dead for a few days and their bodies were nor rotten yet.

Remember the thief on the cross beside JESUS?

LORD JESUS CHRIST said to him that;

"This day you will be with me in paradise."

Isn't paradise is referred to as the garden of Eden?

Isn't there a GOD placed cherubim to not to let any mankind enter, that least he or she eat the fruit of the 'tree of life'?

In other revelation words, this garden's existence initially here on earth, where four famous rivers flowed out it, to this world, therefore releasing fresh spring of water, for all flesh and blood to quench their thirst, were made even invisible to all flesh and blood.

May be these are off course to the truth but also be considerable?

Or may be wherever they may be buried as Christians in this world generation after generations, they will just be raised in their body and before the twinkling of the eyes, they will be changed to the Heavenly body and meet the LORD in the clouds?

Yes, HE is the first-fruit of resurrection ascended into Heaven, not to rest, but also to serve GOD, as a Great High Priest on behalf of HIS lambs and sheep in one body laboring here on earth.

If once people die and immediately they go to Heaven, then why Apostle Paul say to the Thessalonians church that the dead in CHRIST (Christians/Church) shall rise from their grave and be changed?

And then the living, who are alive and obeying and doing GOD's will, that is according to HIS written New Covenant teachings of CHRIST in practice.

And the once who neglect not ready for the unknown hour (as the other 'five virgins' who were 'not prepared enough' to meet the bridegroom), will be 'left behind'.

These that i share is not to force anyone to believe and eat but about beyond a reasonable doubt something to consider.

Then again, as it is written most importantly, in order not to be missed out on that significant day, that;

"Seek ye first the Kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness .................................................................."

Not to change the topic but this is actually the most important topic to remember and as it is written that, sometimes we are just wasting our time and being deceived by other things that are not important, because rather than being in 'Grace and Truth(Gospel)' obedience and in witnessing labor to the lost and ignorant, as we are called to 'abide', but rather in debate and contention and challenge with one another and non-believers.

Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.