Conscience: The Forgotten Evil

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● Heb 9:13-14 . . For if the blood of goats and bulls and the sprinkling of a heifer’s
ashes can sanctify those who are defiled so that their flesh is cleansed, how much more
will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself unblemished to
God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to worship the living God.

Basically; one's conscience is sort of like a moral compass, i.e. it provides people with a
sense of right, wrong, fairness, and justice. The conscience not only provides people
with some guidance in those areas, but it has the rather annoying propensity to sit in
judgment on its owner.

● Rom 2:14-15 . . For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things
of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their
thoughts alternately accusing or else defending themselves.

In it's current condition; the human conscience is unacceptable, and that's because of
its source. We have to go all the way back to the beginning for that.

● Gen 3:5 . . God knows well that when you eat of [the tree of the knowledge of good
and evil] your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, who know good and evil.

Was the Serpent's prediction true? Yes; to a certain extent.

● Gen 3:22 . .Then the Lord God said: See. The man has become like one of us,
knowing good and evil.

In other words; the Serpent neglected to inform Eve that the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil has a side effect that alters people's conscience. But is the alteration an
acceptable substitute for the people's original conscience; the one that came with them
when they were created?

No, because now people are "like one of us" i.e. like supreme beings.

● Ps 82:6 . .I said: You are gods

Along with their ill-gotten supremacy as beings came their ill-gotten supremacy in
matters of right, wrong, fairness, and justice. In other words; the current condition of the
human conscience is unacceptable because it was obtained by eating the fruit of a tree
known to be unsuitable for human consumption. As a result; the current condition of the
human conscience is diseased; hence the need to sprinkle it, so to speak, with Jesus'
blood.

The sprinkling doesn't cure a human's diseased conscience. The sprinkling is actually
for God's sake, i.e. it makes the human sense of right, wrong, fairness, and justice
tolerable for God to endure whenever somebody approaches Him in prayer and/or
worship. I don't think many fully appreciate that the human conscience is equally as
repulsive to God as a case of full-blown leprosy is to us.

Anyway; In the Old Testament, it was necessary to sanitize the people's conscience
each and every time they approached God; which back then meant either the
Tabernacle or the Temple. But a sprinkling of Jesus' blood is necessary only once, and
it's adequate for all time.
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hmm this seems to speak of man's conscience - even that of unredeemed man - as being something that has to be repressed in order to continue in hypocrisy and lies.
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Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. ​
(1 Timothy 4:2) ​

but if i follow your way of talking, wouldn't i expect that repressing my conscience would be something preferred? since, as you say, man's conscience & innate sense of what is right and what is wrong is offensive to God? such that effectively 'have no conscience' would be pleasing to Him??
 
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maybe you are actually talking about a person's vanity and lusts but calling it that person's 'conscience' ??


where does the Bible say what you are saying?
 
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Christ's followers retain a guilty conscience; else the passage below would
be unnecessary.

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in
us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we
make Him out to be a liar and His word has no place in our lives." (1 John
1:8-10"

It appears to me that Christ's followers have two consciences: there's the
conscience they obtained via their natural birth, and there's the conscience
they obtained via the Spirit birth about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-12.
The "born again" conscience i.e. the new man's conscience, is of course
totally free of guilt.

"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him;
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)

One morning in Sunday school class several years ago, a man asked our
speaker about the status of unconfessed sins? Do they follow us into the
afterlife?

Unfortunately the speaker ignored the man's question and continued with his
lesson plan. But later at home I pondered that man's inquiry because it
seemed to me something very important to think about.

Well; as it turns out, the old man and the new man don't share a common
conscience. By means of a mysterious procedure performed by the power of
God, the new man is its own person distinctly separate from the old man.

"In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands,
in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ" (Col
2:11)

So then, I think we can safely assume that when his followers' body of the
flesh passes away, their natural-born conscience passes away right along
with it, and they go into eternity with only their Spirit-born conscience,
which of course is not responsible for the old man's sins. Neato!
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First I would offer. I beleive we know by the faith that comes from hearing our God. God is greater than our conscience, he knows all things. A wonderful gift some light from within these earthen bodies .

Those who believe not (no faith) have a different kind of conscience ( no God in their heart). They are those which God calls fools and warns us not to call any man fool..... seeing only he can see into the hearts of all men . He calls Christians foolish when they do deny him in unbelief . He must increase we must decrease .

1 John 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things

One minute accusing oneself the next (0-102 mph ) looking for someone to accuse (ping pong..) We are not served that way. Because we are not of the world we can understand we do not wrestles against flesh and blood . Those who know not Christ cannot they must wretle against flesh and blood. Giving the patience of humility as we are humbled by His word.

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

In Jeremiah it reveals a heart not subject to the gospel. . . . . no light to seek out the darkness.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool. A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary. O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters. Jeremiah 17:9-13

That parable in respect to the phrase "written in the earth" I would think could be compared to the parable in John 8 below. .Again to help us evaluate each other without killing stoning each other as the Pharisees. Seeing no man can see into the heart of another. To show us depart from me as names shall be written in the earth, stooped down, and wrote on the ground "twice" to emphasis He is the Just and Justifier . The first as the oldest. The words of Christ like a thorn pricked their pride. most like more familiar with the law and Jerimiah the least the new converts followed the shadows of the elders. .

They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.John 8:4-11
 
how does this apply?

The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord,​
searching all the inward parts of the belly.
(Proverbs 20:27)
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