Contraception

[Mii]

Nice one... Im actually quite surprised how quite this topic is here... Its usually very interesting
I mite have to deploy some explosives then...

Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also. Geneses 38:8-10

Its worth reading it from the start of the chapter to get better context... Why did God kill Onan???
What Onan did was spilled his seed... This looks to me like God is condemning contraception

Yeah but when a family of 9 has seven sons and one son marries a wife and he dies he is married by the next brother and so on to produce children or something along those lines. It had to do with property and inheritance I think. We don't do that anymore, although I'm not sure if this is still Jewish custom but I doubt it.

It isn't to say that (necessarily) spilling his seed was a sin, but his refusal to have children by the woman but being willing to have sex with her. I actually did not recall multiple instances which seems to be said.

From memory it was his brothers wife or something along those lines? Edit: read and confirmed ha.

I tried to use this verse (when I was young) as a way to call personal gratification a sin but there are better verses for that.


So I suppose there is a bit more to this one passage as well as the one in the NT when Jesus was asked a question about the resurrection. Luke 20:28 and Matt 22:24 From Deut 25:5 which seems to be talking about raising up children by the next of kin so to not cut the original husbands name off in Israel.

In Genesis this is pre-Israel though and sometimes when something is seen before it may translate to today but in this case I am undecided.

 

[Mii]

It is an entirely different discussion to ask whether the original commission or command (be fruitful and multiply) is still in effect today.

I don't have any issues with it myself, so I don't have the passion to think on it too much, although I may whenever I can even procreate.

 

[Kim82]

So imho you don’t need them to prevent pregnacy, there are other ways around.

if contraception is a sin, then so too are those other ways you use to prevent pregnancy.

 

[surfer14]

Their picking on this woman cos she makes her hubby breakfast... These people make me sick... I find that its usually women who shame women but this guy her gets on board in such away that makes me want to hide my face... Her hubby works 12 hours a day u idiots... I think that man is jealous cos his wife never cooks, ever...

Totally agree. That woman is awesome! I'd laugh if that woman's husband came in a beat the crap out of all of them for mocking his wife like that.

This reminds me of when I used to be in the Army. We'd be on a field problem, and stop for a break or something. Everyone else would break out some sort of store bought snacks, but I always had something homemade from my wife. hahaha! All my buddies were always jealous. They'd go home and complain to their wives about how much better I got treated than them. Then their wives would in turn complain to my wife for making them look bad. LOL!

 

[PC123]

Totally agree. That woman is awesome! I'd laugh if that woman's husband came in a beat the crap out of all of them for mocking his wife like that.

This reminds me of when I used to be in the Army. We'd be on a field problem, and stop for a break or something. Everyone else would break out some sort of store bought snacks, but I always had something homemade from my wife. hahaha! All my buddies were always jealous. They'd go home and complain to their wives about how much better I got treated than them. Then their wives would in turn complain to my wife for making them look bad. LOL!

Well i hope your wife didn't yield to the cancel culture mob... Its a classical display of affection... Its love
How did our mums love us... It turned out she had 3 kids, her husband would work 12 hours a day and she was waking up before him
But they mad look like she would get just to make breakfast but even then... so what... 3 kids lunch and breakfast why not the hubby

Today women are more like men and men are more like women

 

[PC123]

Yeah but when a family of 9 has seven sons and one son marries a wife and he dies he is married by the next brother and so on to produce children or something along those lines. It had to do with property and inheritance I think. We don't do that anymore, although I'm not sure if this is still Jewish custom but I doubt it.

It isn't to say that (necessarily) spilling his seed was a sin, but his refusal to have children by the woman but being willing to have sex with her. I actually did not recall multiple instances which seems to be said.

From memory it was his brothers wife or something along those lines? Edit: read and confirmed ha.

I tried to use this verse (when I was young) as a way to call personal gratification a sin but there are better verses for that.


So I suppose there is a bit more to this one passage as well as the one in the NT when Jesus was asked a question about the resurrection. Luke 20:28 and Matt 22:24 From Deut 25:5 which seems to be talking about raising up children by the next of kin so to not cut the original husbands name off in Israel.

In Genesis this is pre-Israel though and sometimes when something is seen before it may translate to today but in this case I am undecided.

Yes his brothers wife and he is meant to take her under the Jewish law. But... Here is the counter argument to that...
That law you speak of is a part of the Leviticus laws... Those laws are not punishable by death

But even if that were the case the verse is not clear about it at all so its a 50/50

 

[surfer14]

Well i hope your wife didn't yield to the cancel culture mob... Its a classical display of affection... Its love
How did our mums love us... It turned out she had 3 kids, her husband would work 12 hours a day and she was waking up before him
But they mad look like she would get just to make breakfast but even then... so what... 3 kids lunch and breakfast why not the hubby

Today women are more like men and men are more like women

No man. She didn't yield. She's like the video woman - still makes me breakfast, and lunch and dinner, and does the laundry, and bills. And never, ever gives me the dreaded words of "Not tonight, I've got a headache." And then I tell her how lucky she is to have me! hahahaha.

I'm not a fan of masculine women or effeminate men. Masculine women make me laugh when they want me to take them seriously. Corporate women are probably the worst type. But it's the effeminate men that really disgust me. That's a big part of why I stopped going to church - sick and tired of a bunch of low-T effeminates. I just hate being anywhere near them. I can't do it anymore.

I MIGHT have found a church that has some hope. Time will tell. So far I don't dread going there. So that's nice.

 

[Fundamental]

if contraception is a sin, then so too are those other ways you use to prevent pregnancy.

Touché.

However some anti conception is going against human nature while a condom doesn’t change your biology. The pill does. We know a woman who got breast cancer and her doctor pointed at her anti conception as possible suspect.
But this is smalltalk from meeting people on the streets. I did not get this from an actual doctor.

 

[notuptome]

The pope says that contraception is a sin. Good catholics follow the pope?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kaylagrl]

Well i hope your wife didn't yield to the cancel culture mob... Its a classical display of affection... Its love
How did our mums love us... It turned out she had 3 kids, her husband would work 12 hours a day and she was waking up before him
But they mad look like she would get just to make breakfast but even then... so what... 3 kids lunch and breakfast why not the hubby

Today women are more like men and men are more like women

We are living in a totally different world than OT times. Divorce is rampant, fathers leave the homes and leave a mother to fend for herself raising children alone. In some cases a woman has no choice but to work. My grandmother raised five boys on her own. My mother was a stay at home wife. She had been a nurse but when she had children she stayed home to raise us. She told me she didn't want someone else raising us with their values. So that was the choice she made. I'm a stay at home wife also. If your husband is the sole provider then your job is in the home. That's your part of the partnership. But my husband was single for many years so he cooks at times, does laundry or anything I didn't have time to get to that day. If I tell him "that's my job" he says "I'm not helpless". His father walked out on the family leaving his mother to raise him alone and have to work so he learned young to do many things for himself. What the Bible showed was the ideal family, but it's not what we have today unfortunately. And we have many problems in society because of it.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Not sure. I mean contraception is preventing the birth of potential babies, who are considered blessings. It's almost like saying you don't want the blessing.

 

[Mii]

Not sure. I mean contraception is preventing the birth of potential babies, who are considered blessings. It's almost like saying you don't want the blessing.

Yeah I agree, but then adoption shows up in my own personal discussion. Practically, there are only so many child bearing years. why have 12 blessings (I think my mom's friend had at least 9-10). My mother had 5 and is past child bearing age now.

So, why not 20 instead? Assuming you could feed them all, running a foster home would be many more potential blessings. So like, even if it were hard for someone and they had many miscarriages and many c-sections, she could still have adopted children.

I am not 100% against natural birth control, I do understand that there are times when a woman's life is in danger by pregnancies and that surgery might be wise (reproductively) or birth control used. There are still other unmentioned options that are scientifically possible but certainly not the norm and bring up complications similar to multiple marriages.


Not wanting children in a marriage I do not understand. It makes sense to grow as a couple first and have a "someday" attitude but not at all I don't get. It is a big responsibility tis true, but never?

 

[Benadam]

It's the maternal environment in which the matrimonial bond forms. The hope for children provides the environment as well.

 

[EnglishChick]

I saw the thread on abortion and it looked to have run its course so i decided to ask what people think about contraception...

Is it a sin???

It could be a sin if It is abortifacent. E.g. The morning after pill or some B.C. Pills that stop a fertilised egg implanting

 

[EnglishChick]

Me... I was the worse in my 20s...



KA... BOOM... Your a woman but so it should be relatively safe to pull the grenade. Besides u did it with so much grace, "women movement" is much nicer than the F word that rhymes with communism



The womens movement is a con. It wasn't invented by women, it was invented by men, very very rich men...
Their objective was to increase the labour force thus keeping the wages down. So they perpetuated this myth to women that being a mum is lame that true fulfillment comes from a career.

My turn to pull the pin on a grenade... Satan is tempting women with the same offer he tempted Eve with, power.
You will be like Gods... Now u will be like him... Satan promises more power... But its a lie.
A woman cannot be a man and a man cannot be a woman. And no we are not equal and we are not all the same...

I learnt that in the 50s and 60s one mans wage was enough for the family to have the American dream. A woman still had the option to work. But the price of living went up while wages remained... Now women are forced to work, taught to do so from a toddler "don't play with that baby doll, here play with this mini truck"... No, No, No... Most women don't seem to understand the mother/child thing until they have one

I once asked my mum if she would have preferred to have been with us growing up rather than work...
I had to hold her cos she began to cry...... She worked afternoon and my dad worked day. By the time she would arrive home we would be asleep at 11.30...

CURSE THIS DAMN SOCIETY THAT SEPARATES A MOTHER FROM HER CHILD...
CURSE THIS EVIL SOCIETY

I think when you.talk of.women working you mean wives and mothers because single women have to work anyway to support themselves. Which is a good thing. To learn to manage a household before you marry.

 

[MoonCresta]

Nice one... Im actually quite surprised how quite this topic is here... Its usually very interesting
I mite have to deploy some explosives then...

Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also. Geneses 38:8-10

Its worth reading it from the start of the chapter to get better context... Why did God kill Onan???
What Onan did was spilled his seed... This looks to me like God is condemning contraception

Yikes!!

Just like the couple that were killed for not bringing everything to the Lord's house (in Acts was it - think so). They weren't killed for not donating enough to church, they were killed for lying to everyone and God.

I don't think Onan was killed for his action, but rather the deception in his heart.

 

[EnglishChick]

Yikes!!

Just like the couple that were killed for not bringing everything to the Lord's house (in Acts was it - think so). They weren't killed for not donating enough to church, they were killed for lying to everyone and God.

I don't think Onan was killed for his action, but rather the deception in his heart.

Yes that's how I understood it

If there is no abortion involved then I don't see the issue with trying to plan family

Of course sterilisation is not considered a sin for that reason

 

[Alyd20]

Children are a blessing from GOD.

Amen

 

[Magenta]

I don't think Onan was killed for his action, but rather the deception in his heart.

I found an interesting page (<= link) expounding upon on the matter One thing that it brings to our attention is the fact that although it was Levitical law for the brother-in-law to marry his deceased brother's widow, he was allowed the option of refusing, and death was not the penalty for doing so, as per Deuteronomy 25:5-10

5 When brothers dwell together and one of them dies without a son, the widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband’s brother is to take her as his wife and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law for her. 6 The first son she bears will carry on the name of the dead brother, so that his name will not be blotted out from Israel.

7 But if the man does not want to marry his brother’s widow, she is to go to the elders at the city gate and say, “My husband’s brother refuses to preserve his brother’s name in Israel. He is not willing to perform the duty of a brother-in-law for me.”

8 Then the elders of his city shall summon him and speak with him. If he persists and says, “I do not want to marry her,” 9 his brother’s widow shall go up to him in the presence of the elders, remove his sandal, spit in his face, and declare, “This is what is done to the man who will not maintain his brother’s line.” 10 And his family name in Israel will be called “The House of the Unsandaled.”

The writer identifies Onan's sin as separating marriage/procreation from the act of intercourse.

 

[MoonCresta]

Children are a blessing from GOD.

Well, MY children were/are a blessing!