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Denadii said:
Isn't it amazing how much of the bible is figurative, metaphorical, or parable? How much is real? mollifying them? Were they angry?
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sorry, mortify. probably spellcheck got me.

how many of your posts are real?

is something not real just because it is explained using a representative vocabulary? all language is representative - Denadii, are you asking whether anything is real at all?
 
posthuman said:

Ezekiel 23 is speaking in figure of two sisters. you've read it, yes?
the two represent the divided kingdom. Samaria was in the kingdom of Israel & Jerusalem in the kingdom of Judah.
"Israel" can mean collectively all the tribes, as can Judah in some situations, and both are separately referring to split groups of tribes. the cities, Samaria & Jerusalem, are also collectively part of greater Israel, but are also representative of the two divided kingdoms, in particular, in Ezekiel 23.

you are aware of this, right?
do you really think post doesn't know that Israel had 12 sons?
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But the post I replied to said this

"she" is Israel & Judah.
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Saying "she" while referring to 2 groups of people is just adding confusion. I guess it's a minor point to argue over.

You see how much confusion there is over the words "Jew" and "Israel".
 
posthuman said:
sorry, mortify. probably spellcheck got me.

how many of your posts are real?

is something not real just because it is explained using a representative vocabulary? all language is representative - Denadii, are you asking whether anything is real at all?
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Well All of my posts are real. I have not used metaphor, or a parable once yet. I'll let you know though if I decide to. :D

and if you are asking if I'm inquiring if anything in the bible is real. I was simply marveling at how much people in general on this site say this is figurative, or that was parable, or it was metaphor. Jesus used a fair number of paralbes in the four gospels. There are no parables in Revelation and somebody said there was. There is an example of what I mean. People try to understand what they read, and instead of asking the Holy Spirit for an understanding of it they draw pictures on their cave wall.
Where you said it was figurative because the two women were Samaria and Jerusalem. I tend to agree with that assessment.
 
Gen 18:27....... Abraham says he's butt dust..........................wait.......maybe it's a misprint.
 
posthuman said:
nah all we need is a map

Capernaum and Bethsaida are located a few miles from each other at the northern extremity of the Sea of Galilee.
the Sea of Galilee is sometimes called the Sea of Genessaret - Genessaret may have been a city located near Capernaum, a little south, but it's also the name of a plain along the coast in which Capernaum is located.

so all three apostles are telling us that that they sailed North, had trouble while crossing, and came to shore in the Northwest.


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Hey I like the map cool indeed, I've seen a few my self, it seems the old village of genessaret was between capernium and Bethsaida, indeed all three gospels mentioning having trouble with a storm though none say exactly what happen rather they went off coarse, but if they did I'd assume if Jesus wanted them to go to Bethsaida in the first place they would have got back into the boat and went there, nothing really is affirmative about that why. In the gospel of John the trip across the lake didn't take a turn, its statement they set off for capernium and landed in capernium so there no going off coarse in that account.

Mark well that's a whole nother story, it appears as if they may have gone off coarse because he says Jesus had the deciples get into the boat and head for Bethsaida but wound up at genessaret, though that's when Mark decides to go into crunch mode for what ever reason. Reading mark once they landed people recognized Jesus, then where ever he was people came to him and he went from village to towns and to the country side and even people brung the sick into the market places, how he writes it is interesting just goes from landing to some general statement of traveling all about.


some interesting things about the walk about.

walking on the water he walks up to the boat and climbs in.

Walking on the water beside the boat and almost past them walking by then they got their eyes off the storm and they saw him. Then he gets into the boat.

Walking on the water he came to the boat but stayed a bit away from it and then called Peter to walk to him where he was on the water. Is says Peter started to sink, yea ok, he sunk quick like falling into the water, Jesus helps him into the boat and they both get into the boat.
 
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BeyondET said:
Hey I like the map cool indeed, I've seen a few my self, it seems the old village of genessaret was between capernium and Bethsaida, indeed all three gospels mentioning having trouble with a storm though none say exactly what happen rather they went off coarse, but if they did I'd assume if Jesus wanted them to go to Bethsaida in the first place they would have got back into the boat and went there, nothing really is affirmative about that why. In the gospel of John the trip across the lake didn't take a turn, its statement they set off for capernium and landed in capernium so there no going off coarse in that account.

Mark well that's a whole nother story, it appears as if they may have gone off coarse because he says Jesus had the deciples get into the boat and head for Bethsaida but wound up at genessaret, though that's when Mark decides to go into crunch mode for what ever reason. Reading mark once they landed people recognized Jesus, then where ever he was people came to him and he went from village to towns and to the country side and even people brung the sick into the market places, how he writes it is interesting just goes from landing to some general statement of traveling all about.


some interesting things about the walk about.

walking on the water he walks up to the boat and climbs in.

Walking on the water beside the boat and almost past them walking by then they got their eyes off the storm and they saw him. Then he gets into the boat.

Walking on the water he came to the boat but stayed a bit away from it and then called Peter to walk to him where he was on the water. Is says Peter started to sink, yea ok, he sunk quick like falling into the water, Jesus helps him into the boat and they both get into the boat.
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As far as the directions and the places names, if I was traveling to suburb of Atlanta for example, or to some area not too far from it, instead of telling you I was going to some specific location, I might just say I'm headed to Atlanta. Even though my destination might be 30 miles from downtown atl I wouldn't be lying or wrong in what I told you. They may not have had a specific destination in mind anyway, just 'near Capernaum' the biggest city in the general area, where Genessaret was a common name for the whole area. Like if I lived in Queens I might say I live there, or in NYC, or 'in the Burroughs' and all three descriptions are accurate
 
posthuman said:
As far as the directions and the places names, if I was traveling to suburb of Atlanta for example, or to some area not too far from it, instead of telling you I was going to some specific location, I might just say I'm headed to Atlanta. Even though my destination might be 30 miles from downtown atl I wouldn't be lying or wrong in what I told you. They may not have had a specific destination in mind anyway, just 'near Capernaum' the biggest city in the general area, where Genessaret was a common name for the whole area. Like if I lived in Queens I might say I live there, or in NYC, or 'in the Burroughs' and all three descriptions are accurate
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That's a very good point one I have thought myself, where I live is called one name for a collection of surrounding cities but in all actuality I live in one city in the area, so if I was just generally going to mention where I live I could use that name for the whole area, but if I wanted to state where exactly were I am I'd say the city I live in.

In what you said is a good debate on rather it's was just a general statement as in the area around the lake, though I have to say that the mentioning of a direct place could be a actual place a village they where going as well.

It's quite complexing as to what it was, was it a general statement or were these places actually where they went,

Something I thought as well, it could be that they traveled to and fro these places during that event yet the actual walking on the water happened only once across the lake on one of those travels across the lake. some of what is written could be of direct verbal account from one of the orginal deciples and or including previous writings of the account and was translated to be included in one of the four gospels.
 
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