Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ZNP]

If you think spiritual warfare is battling against the Democrats you would have loved the Crusades.

As American Citizens you have every right to vote as your conscience dictates. You also have every right to have a strong opinion about the various issues.

However, as Christians you do not have the right to make these elections an item of the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. Every believer is a servant of the Lord Jesus and to their own servant they will stand or fall.

Also, if you lead people astray from the sure word of God you will also be held accountable. We are told in the Bible that the entire world lies in the evil one. That would surely include kings and presidents. We are to pray for them that we may lead a quiet and peaceful life pursuing the Lord and ministering to Jesus.

Our warfare is not against flesh and blood.

 

[cv5]

Yesterday, Trump broke yet another federal law when he used Arlington National Cemetery for a campaign photo op. He posed next to a fallen soldier's grave, smiling and giving a thumbs up gesture (who the heck does that next to a grave? Is he happy the soldier died?)

Federal law is extremely clear about this. Arlington National Cemetery stated:

“Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign. Arlington National Cemetery reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants.”​

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Remember, Trump didn't visit Arlington in 2021-2023, and only visited it this year as part of his campaign, in direct violation of federal law.

Reports are also coming out that an employee at Arlington attempted to stop Trump and his campaign from staging their photo-op, and there was an ensuing "scuffle".

So we have Trump referring to American soldiers as "losers and suckers", Trump insulting POWs like John McCain ("I like heroes who weren't captured"), Trump saying the civilian Medal of Freedom is better than the military's Medal of Honor, and now breaking federal law to use Arlington National Cemetery for a campaign photo-op.

Disgusting.

Rubbish. That photo prives nothing.
And the "suckers and losers" hoax has been debunked over and over again.
Which of course means that YOU are a hoaxer.

 

[Smoke]

Smoke,


I think you are confusing feminism and femininity.

the bible has clearly said this will happen as we get closer to the end.

What they are really doing is remaking a man to appear like a woman. This hides their sin. but it is not femineity. Coveting a female's natural attributes and giving it to a man is the same as this:

Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour:

Perhaps this is semantics. I do agree that "feminism" and "femininity" are linked but not necessarily synonymous.

"Feminism" is an ideological framework that bleeds into many other identities, platforms, etc... , whereas "femininity" simply describes attributes and qualities consistent with females.

You are correct in that society (through feminism), is normalizing femininity with males. They are going beyond this though. They do this, in conjunction to destroying the patriarchy in an effort to make men and women "equal". Since power is yielded to the patriarchy within our theist framework, their goal is to feminize them as you mention. The opposite is true too! They glorify "boss babes" aka, women who don't need to submit to the husband because she is strong and independent and capable of providing for herself. This (feminism) has caused a multitude of societal issues...

 

[cv5]

Yesterday, Trump broke yet another federal law when he used Arlington National Cemetery for a campaign photo op. He posed next to a fallen soldier's grave, smiling and giving a thumbs up gesture (who the heck does that next to a grave? Is he happy the soldier died?)

Federal law is extremely clear about this. Arlington National Cemetery stated:

“Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign. Arlington National Cemetery reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants.”​

​

Remember, Trump didn't visit Arlington in 2021-2023, and only visited it this year as part of his campaign, in direct violation of federal law.

Reports are also coming out that an employee at Arlington attempted to stop Trump and his campaign from staging their photo-op, and there was an ensuing "scuffle".

So we have Trump referring to American soldiers as "losers and suckers", Trump insulting POWs like John McCain ("I like heroes who weren't captured"), Trump saying the civilian Medal of Freedom is better than the military's Medal of Honor, and now breaking federal law to use Arlington National Cemetery for a campaign photo-op.

Disgusting.

“The fact is that a private photographer was permitted on the premises and for whatever reason an unnamed individual, clearly suffering from a mental health episode, decided to physically block members of President Trump’s team during a very solemn ceremony.”

Oh....and Trump was INVITED to attend.

“The families were just thrilled that President Trump spent so much time with them,” Rep. Michael Waltz (R-Fla.), a veteran of the Afghan war, told The Post, calling it a “difficult but powerful morning.”

Biden and Harris, REFUSED to attend. Why?
Because both are fully to blame and responsible for the deaths of the fallen
because of the horrendously botched withdrawl.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

People have done surveys, including Christian groups, where they ask young people why they left.

Ok, I will not say no, until you post these surveys that say people are leaving because of Christians. As a direct result of Christians. Otherwise, it's your opinion.

 

[JayBird]

True, there isn't objective data to really say for certain so I'll admit my opinion is mostly anecdotal.

No problem!

I'll speak for myself on a period of time I stopped living with Christ as the center. Was I annoyed about the judgmental hypocrites? Yes, it was a deterrent to want to attend church but I wouldn't say that was the reason I temporarily turned away from Christ. I simply wanted to live my life and do things I wanted to do. I appealed to arguments of "If it doesn't hurt anyone, why is it bad" which led to me turning more Libertarian. While I wasn't engaging in typical degenerate behavior, I found myself accepting more of the feminists' ideology and excusing it. Thankfully, in an effort to find the truth and KNOW it in my head and in my heart, I was brought back to Christ. My testimony is independent of anyone else. People will make it difficult for me to want to fellowship with them, but that doesn't take away from the ultimate truth, that God lives and that we are saved through Jesus Christ.

Exactly! That's why we can't allow our personal views, political preferences, and the like to get in the way of the ultimate truth. Much better to set those other things and make sure we're helping to spread the Gospel.

My prescription towards disenfranchised Christians with legitimate complaints of overly political Christians, talk to them. Engage fruitfully with them and disengage when you realize they aren't wanting to or are incapable of doing it. If they get emotional and start making personal insults, it isn't a reflection on you... They are showing anyone who hears their rant who they really are... Just don't let that shake your testimony.

Very nicely put, and I agree 100%.

 

[JayBird]

Rubbish. That photo prives nothing.

It proves Trump violated federal law by staging a photo op at Arlington National Cemetery.

And again, who gives a thumbs up next to a dead soldier's grave? Terrible.

 

[JayBird]

Oh....and Trump was INVITED to attend.

No one said he was wrong to attend. He broke federal law by staging a photo op next to a fallen soldier's grave in Section 60 of Arlington National Cemetery.

He could have visited and done whatever he was going to do without breaking federal law and disrespecting our fallen troops and their families.

But with Trump, it's all about him, 100% of the time.

 

[JayBird]

Ok, I will not say no, until you post these surveys that say people are leaving because of Christians. As a direct result of Christians. Otherwise, it's your opinion.

Sure, no problem.

This article sums up two of the surveys, and as you can see the actions and behaviors of Christians feature prominently (judgmental and hypocritical, not connecting with church members, too political).

https://nickblevins.com/blog/2019/02/20/statistics-on-youth-leaving-the-church/

 

[cv5]

It proves Trump violated federal law by staging a photo op at Arlington National Cemetery.

And again, who gives a thumbs up next to a dead soldier's grave? Terrible.

Wrong again. It was THE GRIEVING FAMILIES that requested that photos
of the solemn proceedings were taken with Trump. THEIR CALL and PERFECTLY LEGAL.

And the photos are NOT being used in any way as a campaign tool.

 

[JayBird]

Wrong again. It was THE GRIEVING FAMILIES that requested that photos
of the solemn proceedings were taken with Trump. THEIR CALL and PERFECTLY LEGAL.

And the photos are NOT being used in any way as a campaign tool.

It doesn't matter who asked for the photo or any of that. They were told prior to going that staging photo ops in Section 60 of Arlington is against federal law, but they did it anyway.

And giving a thumbs up next to a dead soldier's grave? Sick.

 

[cv5]

Trump War Room

@TrumpWarRoom
🚨BREAKING: For the second time in a year, the Supreme Court has ruled against Kamala and Biden's plan to use your tax dollars to cancel student loans without a bill from Congress.

Looks like they're going to have to find a new way to buy votes!

 

[cv5]

Everybody and their uncle knows the entire case should have been tossed.

Real Mac Report
@RealMacReport
🚨Breaking: House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jim Jordan, issued a subpoena for information on the political work conducted by the daughter of New York State Supreme Court Judge Juan Merchan.

Jordan sent a letter to Michael Nellis, the founder and CEO of Authentic Campaigns – a company that's done political work for top Democratic clients like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris – accusing him of failing to comply with House investigators' demands for any and all documents related to the prosecution of President Trump.

The committee wrote to Loren Merchan, the company's president and Judge Merchan's daughter, earlier this month requesting documents in its probe into Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's case against Trump.

 

[ZNP]

Trump War Room

@TrumpWarRoom
🚨BREAKING: For the second time in a year, the Supreme Court has ruled against Kamala and Biden's plan to use your tax dollars to cancel student loans without a bill from Congress.

Looks like they're going to have to find a new way to buy votes!

For every vote they buy they will offend someone who paid for college themselves or who never went to college.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Sure, no problem.

This article sums up two of the surveys, and as you can see the actions and behaviors of Christians feature prominently (judgmental and hypocritical, not connecting with church members, too political).

https://nickblevins.com/blog/2019/02/20/statistics-on-youth-leaving-the-church/

Ok, first I looked up Lifeway Research. They said they "We have conducted studies for dozens of ministries and more than 20 denominations." So, there's that but I continued. They did not state the question asked so I assume it's just as simple as "why did you stop going to church". Ok so here are their answers.

1. Moving to college
2. Church members seemed judgmental or hypocritical
3. I didn't feel connected to people in my church
4. I disagree with the church's stance on political/social issues
5. My work responsibilities prevented me from attending.

So before I gave my opinion, I saw this on the bottom of the page.

• Most people lose their faith when they leave high school.
• Dropping out of church is just a natural part of young adults' maturation.
• College experiences are the key factor that cause people to drop out.
• This generation of young Christians is increasingly “biblically illiterate.”
• Young people will come back to church like they always do. I could leave it there but a comment like " Church members seemed judgmental or hypocritical" Is a very general statement. As is " I disagree with the church's stance on political/social issues". So, as I said, you have an opinion, that's fine, but be honest about it. It's an opinion.

 

[cv5]

It doesn't matter who asked for the photo or any of that. They were told prior to going that staging photo ops in Section 60 of Arlington is against federal law, but they did it anyway.

Who is "they"? The families of the fallen. Who have every right to take photos.
Trump was INVITED there BY THE FAMILIES. And the families WANTED TRUMP to be included in these treasured momento photos.

You are the one who is SICK with TDS.

 

[JayBird]

I could leave it there but a comment like " Church members seemed judgmental or hypocritical" Is a very general statement. As is " I disagree with the church's stance on political/social issues". So, as I said, you have an opinion, that's fine, but be honest about it. It's an opinion.

You should look at the Barna results too. And my opinion has a basis in the survey data, as I just showed. If you have additional info, please post it.

 

[JayBird]

Who is "they"? The families of the fallen. Who have every right to take photos.

No they don't. There's nothing in the federal law that says "except for families of the fallen".

Why were Trump campaign officials even there in the first place if it had nothing to do with his campaign? And again, smiling and giving a thumbs up next to a fallen soldier's grave?

Disgusting.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You should look at the Barna results too. And my opinion has a basis in the survey data, as I just showed. If you have additional info, please post it.

Was that on the same page or different? I will look at it also.

 

[daisyseesthesun]

Ok, first I looked up Lifeway Research. They said they "We have conducted studies for dozens of ministries and more than 20 denominations." So, there's that but I continued. They did not state the question asked so I assume it's just as simple as "why did you stop going to church". Ok so here are their answers.

1. Moving to college
2. Church members seemed judgmental or hypocritical
3. I didn't feel connected to people in my church
4. I disagree with the church's stance on political/social issues
5. My work responsibilities prevented me from attending.

So before I gave my opinion, I saw this on the bottom of the page.

• Most people lose their faith when they leave high school.
• Dropping out of church is just a natural part of young adults' maturation.
• College experiences are the key factor that cause people to drop out.
• This generation of young Christians is increasingly “biblically illiterate.”
• Young people will come back to church like they always do. I could leave it there but a comment like " Church members seemed judgmental or hypocritical" Is a very general statement. As is " I disagree with the church's stance on political/social issues". So, as I said, you have an opinion, that's fine, but be honest about it. It's an opinion.

Prov. 22:6, "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."