COVID-19 mRNA vaccines: How could anything developed this quickly be safe?

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Dude653 said:
I mean sure why should we listen to people who have decades of experience in virology when we can listen to a meme on Facebook posted by someone who works at Walmart
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Consider how deceptive this is. Everyone listened to Fauci. Trump told us we could use HCQ Fauci said we couldn't everyone believed Fauci, and everyone mocked Trump. Then Trump called this the "China Virus" and he was attacked as being a racist, Fauci told us this was not made in a lab, there was no evidence of that and all the evidence pointed to a natural origin. We now know that no evidence points to a natural origin, and all the evidence we have suggests it came from the Lab and were it not for China stonewalling and covering up what happened we would have been able to confirm that by now. We then get Fauci's emails and learn the people from the Lab where it came from thank him for steering the public away from the Lab. Fauci is asked under oath if he funded gain of function research at the Wuhan lab and he said no. We then learn that was a lie, he did fund the research. When confronted with the proof that he did fund the research he claims it wasn't gain of function research. This is despite the fact the research perfectly fits the NIH definition of gain of function, so he is playing a semantics game.

But let's be real, Fauci has "decades of experience in virology" so to answer the question why we don't listen to him it is simple, he has lied to us repeatedly. That is why.
 
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Are there any good reasons to not get the vaccine?

1. If you have recovered from Covid19 you should have natural immunity, there are very good indications that natural immunity is better and longer lasting than the vaccine. So the vaccine would be unnecessary.

2. If you don't have any co morbidities or otherwise high risk person then the risk from Covid killing you is less than 0.5% and probably closer to 0.1%. Not only so but we have three effective treatments and so you may feel that the risk reward doesn't justify getting the shot.

But what about society and Herd Immunity?

We live in a global community of 7.5 billion people. We will not get to herd immunity unless we are planning on vaccinating at least 6 billion people with two doses and then a booster shot every six months. Since we aren't going to do that everyone should stop talking about herd immunity.

Second, this virus is going to mutate and as we have seen the vaccine only lasts for six months before there is a new strain that it doesn't protect you from. That should be factored into the risk/reward of getting the vaccine.

Third, if we practice social distancing and not going out into public if we have a fever or have symptoms that will be the most effective way to encourage the virus to mutate to less virulent strains.

If we were really concerned about public health we would be going to the worst slums in South Africa, Brazil, Mexico, Bangladesh, India, etc. and vaccinating the people there for free. Slums are where you will get the most virulent strains because people are not able to socially distance themselves.
 
ZNP said:
Are there any good reasons to not get the vaccine?

1. If you have recovered from Covid19 you should have natural immunity, there are very good indications that natural immunity is better and longer lasting than the vaccine. So the vaccine would be unnecessary.

2. If you don't have any co morbidities or otherwise high risk person then the risk from Covid killing you is less than 0.5% and probably closer to 0.1%. Not only so but we have three effective treatments and so you may feel that the risk reward doesn't justify getting the shot.

But what about society and Herd Immunity?

We live in a global community of 7.5 billion people. We will not get to herd immunity unless we are planning on vaccinating at least 6 billion people with two doses and then a booster shot every six months. Since we aren't going to do that everyone should stop talking about herd immunity.

Second, this virus is going to mutate and as we have seen the vaccine only lasts for six months before there is a new strain that it doesn't protect you from. That should be factored into the risk/reward of getting the vaccine.

Third, if we practice social distancing and not going out into public if we have a fever or have symptoms that will be the most effective way to encourage the virus to mutate to less virulent strains.

If we were really concerned about public health we would be going to the worst slums in South Africa, Brazil, Mexico, Bangladesh, India, etc. and vaccinating the people there for free. Slums are where you will get the most virulent strains because people are not able to socially distance themselves.
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Riddle me this:

1. If the tests work, why all the false positives?

2. If the masks work, why the 6 feet?

3. If the 6 feet works, why the masks?

4. If all 3 work, why the lockdowns?

5. If all 4 work, why the "vaccines"?

6. If the "vaccines" work, why the NO LIABILITY CLAUSE?

7. If politicians and others advocating shot mandates are serious about all they are telling us, why are they partying maskless in crowds of people that are belly-button to butt-hole, that are not wearing masks, where possible as many as half are "unvaccinated"?
 
They don't work they know this will mutate over and over and eventually kill billions of people and their trying to keep people from panicking.
 
JerryInBoston said:
Riddle me this:

1. If the tests work, why all the false positives?

2. If the masks work, why the 6 feet?

3. If the 6 feet works, why the masks?

4. If all 3 work, why the lockdowns?

5. If all 4 work, why the "vaccines"?

6. If the "vaccines" work, why the NO LIABILITY CLAUSE?

7. If politicians and others advocating shot mandates are serious about all they are telling us, why are they partying maskless in crowds of people that are belly-button to butt-hole, that are not wearing masks, where possible as many as half are "unvaccinated"?
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All war is based on deception. Sun Tzu

1. The tests do work, they were designed to instill fear and justify a lockdown.
2. The masks do work, they were enforced to give the deep state an excuse to wear them while instigating mobs so they wouldn't be prosecuted.
3. Six feet works, it makes it impossible to have school and therefore helps justify the lockdown and also to empty churches.
4. Why the lockdowns? We are at war. Stage 1 is bio war. Stage 2 is economic war. You bankrupt all the small landlords and small businessmen and then when they have to sell their property it is at fire sale prices. You get to buy up all the property at a small fraction of the price. Caesar Nero would be proud.
5. The vaccines are the "solution" they wanted all along. They created this pandemic in the lab so that we would ask for the solution. The vaccine is not about protecting you from the virus, rather it is to create a UPC code for every person in this country so they could keep track, used effectively this will give them more power than any dictator ever had.
6. Some of the side effects of the vaccine will help reduce the world's population, but holocausts can be so misunderstood by the law courts.
7. They are serious and they are partying because they are receiving the fat payoff, they sold you for a bag of silver.
 
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ZNP said:
All war is based on deception. Sun Tzu

1. The tests do work, they were designed to instill fear and justify a lockdown.
2. The masks do work, they were enforced to give the deep state an excuse to wear them while instigating mobs so they wouldn't be prosecuted.
3. Six feet works, it makes it impossible to have school and therefore helps justify the lockdown and also to empty churches.
4. Why the lockdowns? We are at war. Stage 1 is bio war. Stage 2 is economic war. You bankrupt all the small landlords and small businessmen and then when they have to sell their property it is at fire sale prices. You get to buy up all the property at a small fraction of the price. Caesar Nero would be proud.
5. The vaccines are the "solution" they wanted all along. They created this pandemic in the lab so that we would ask for the solution. The vaccine is not about protecting you from the virus, rather it is to create a UPC code for every person in this country so they could keep track, used effectively this will give them more power than any dictator ever had.
6. Some of the side effects of the vaccine will help reduce the world's population, but holocausts can be so misunderstood by the law courts.
7. They are serious and they are partying because they are receiving the fat payoff, they sold you for a bag of silver.
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It's coming. Be ready.
 
There are a lot of people who were alarmed when vaccinated people were getting the Delta variant but they made it clear they expected that from the beginning, the advantage is that getting the vaccine will protect you from being hospitalized, but then when this recent report from Israel of the vast majority of people being hospitalized were vaccinated it turns out we missed one of the key points, you need to take the therapeutics (things like ivermectin and HCQ) though they recommend a far more expensive pill made by Pfizer which is just as effective. Some people are foolishly wondering what the point of the vaccine is if you still need to wear a mask, will still get sick and will still need the same medicine everyone else is taking. This is foolish talk because it is classified as hate speech and even though at the moment it isn't a felony it soon will be.
 
The reason we're seeing Delta variant is because unvaccinated people are Delta variant factories
 
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Dude653 said:
The reason we're seeing Delta variant is because unvaccinated people are Delta variant factories
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Wrong. We are seeing variants develop because Covid-19 is working just as the scientists from the Wuhan virology lab and their globalist population control supporters hoped and designed and engineered the Covid-19 to work.
 
JerryInBoston said:
Wrong. We are seeing variants develop because Covid-19 is working just as the scientists from the Wuhan virology lab and their globalist population control supporters hoped and designed and engineered the Covid-19 to work.
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Seems your mind has it all figured out... I leave, then come back and you all seem to feed so easily into all these conspiracies, it's somewhat entertaining.
 
Dude653 said:
The reason we're seeing Delta variant is because unvaccinated people are Delta variant factories
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Yep agreed, but why use a logical answer when you can pick one or two, or three things from all the garbage said here!
 
flygplan said:
Seems your mind has it all figured out... I leave, then come back and you all seem to feed so easily into all these conspiracies, it's somewhat entertaining.
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You're in lock-step with the liar Fauci, the atheist Bill Gates, the evil empire that is the CCP, the botox queen Pelosi and hypocrites Whitmer, Newsome, Deblasio, et alia, the pervert Cuomo, and the pervert in chief Joe Biden, and you expect what ... concurrence? 😂😂😂
 
JerryInBoston said:
You're in lock-step with the liar Fauci, the atheist Bill Gates, the evil empire that is the CCP, the botox queen Pelosi and hypocrites Whitmer, Newsome, Deblasio, et alia, the pervert Cuomo, and the pervert in chief Joe Biden, and you expect what ... concurrence? 😂😂😂
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Nope I'm here with my own mind and things that make sense. You know, where the hard evidence is at. Just like Dude653. Also, not getting into politics and name calling. The way people like you make up caricatures of every person or word you please shows how immature you are, and displays your ignorance.
 
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