Critique On Why Catholics Are Hated

dcontroversal · Aug 20, 2020

Listen pal.....my knowledge is first hand from family members and do not tell me what I know to be fact.....when I can go to a Catholic funeral and they all sing a song orginally written with Jesus....ALL HAIL MARY......that is indeed the worship of Mary and to make her EQUAL with Jesus or give her intecessory powers or say she has some pull with JESUS etc....is to worship her...get your facts straight, come out of a false religion and embrace the truth!

oldethennew · Aug 20, 2020

the rcc and it's evil philosophies are still , to this day a plague...
and we're not talking about it's many members who are seeking
Truth and Righteousness;
we are referring to 'the head of the snake'...

eternally-gratefull · Aug 20, 2020

Kemorean said:

I don't have to go any further than your first accusation against the first Christian Church to prove that your knowledge of Catholicism comes only from non Catholics..and not the Catholic Church! Catholics DO NOT worship Mary. If we do I challenge to show us any official doctrine of the Catholic Church that says Catholics are to worship Mary. I will leave the Catholic Church and become a Protestant tomorrow if you can show to us so much as ONE. We are waiting...

You can’t see what you do not believe

infinitekhanol · Aug 20, 2020

"Adstar, posted

Jesus only declared that One sin was unforgivable.. Only 1.. Blapshemy of the Holy Spirit.. If you think there are Sins as in more then one sin that the Atonement of Jesus does not secure forgiveness for then you do not believe Jesus. You are Not holding His Word above all else..

(Mark 3:28-30) "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: {29} But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: {30} Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."

Thank you for confirming that there is sin that does not merit forgiveness of the Lord. That makes my point. Not every sin is taken off by the cross.
By the way, the act of blaspheming the Holy Spirit can lead to other sins being committed, if we really understand what it means to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. but the proximate cause remains the blaspheming.

Blade · Aug 20, 2020

Hmm I don't truly know anyone that "hates" Catholics. When I read this about denominations" 'Every single one is living life in the flesh" This is not true. I read there are something like 33,000 denominations.

How did you come to this concussions that every single one is living life in the flesh?

infinitekhanol · Aug 21, 2020

"Adstar, posted

If you want to ensure that the person you are responding to knows you have responded you need to click on the REPLY that is in the box they post in.. That way they will recieve a message telling them that you have replied to their post..

Okay. Thanks.

I actually thought I did.

Fundamental · Aug 21, 2020

Blade said:

Hate is a big word. But is anyone surpised?
It should not be named the head of christianity anymore. They even openly praise Lucifer and say it translates to “morning star” so it refers to Jesus to them. It does not and the Neo Vulgate is not a scripture written by an apostel or follower of Christ. It is of no genuine value whatsoever in christian theology.

It’s a sexclub and it is time we abolish each and every institution having touched the innocent while it was commonly known, but remained silent for their image consulting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

The Vatican would be burned to the ground if they had no draconion protection.

Kemorean · Aug 21, 2020

EleventhHour said:

Well if there is no divinely appointed Magesterium populated by successors to the Apostles then we have no authority to tell us whose bible interpretations are correct and whose bible interpretations are incorrect! All we have is private interpretation which..is all the Protestant Churches have. Everyone who owns a bible thinks that HIS interpretation is the correct one! How has that worked out for you? There are now hundreds of mainstream Protestant Churches who can not all agree on ONE Christian doctrine! And there are thousands upon thousands of disagreeing Protestant denominations if you add all of the "non denominational" denominations! But, my bible believing friend, what does the bible itself have to say about private interpretation? The Bible says.. "No teaching of this book is for private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20) Ask any Protestant Denomination.."By what authority do you say that your interpretation of the Bible is correct but the interpretations of the Protestant denominations down the street are incorrect? The will all tell you.. "WE were led by the Holy Spirit!" Well, with thousands of denominations all disagreeing on what the bible teaches, I guess that the Holy Spirit has agreed to disagree with..Himself!

billabong · Aug 21, 2020

Kemorean said:

Wait no more!

FULGENS CORONA
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII
PROCLAIMING A MARIAN YEAR TO COMMEMORATE THE CENTENARY OF THE
DEFINITION OF THE DOGMA OF THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION

18. and proposed and confirmed by the greatest and highest decision of the Church" (Bull Ineffabilis Deus), so that to pastors and faithful there is nothing "more sweet, nothing dearer than to worship, venerate, invoke and praise with ardent affection the Mother of God conceived without stain of original sin. (Ibidem.)
33. But where -- as is the case in almost all dioceses, there exists a church in which the Virgin Mother of God is worshipped with more intense devotion, thither on stated days let pilgrims flock together in great numbers and publicly and in the open give glorious expression to their common Faith and their common love toward the Virgin Most Holy. We have no doubt that this will be done in an especial manner at the Grotto of Lourdes, where there is such ardent devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary conceived without stain of sin.
34. But let this holy city of Rome be the first to give the example, this city which from the earliest Christian era worshipped the heavenly mother, its patroness, with a special devotion. As all know, there are many sacred edifices here, in which she is proposed for the devotion of the Roman people

http://www.vatican.va/content/pius-...nts/hf_p-xii_enc_08091953_fulgens-corona.html

Congratulations for tomorrow I guess, as you will be a newly converted protestant, thats if your word is good

garee · Aug 21, 2020

Kemorean said:

???????

You would challenge the private interpretations of your sect and pit it up against another as if we did wrestles against flesh and blood?

Even the apostles would not challenge the authority of sola scriptura . . puffing venerating their own selves above the faith of Christ that works in us as it is written. Why would they puff themselves up arrogantly with false pride as if what power that was freely given to them was of their own self. And not the power of God working from within ?

Simply another word the Catholic have changed to meaning to represent those who lord it over other men beliefs .(a dark place no light)

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 King James Version (KJV) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Rather than what Christians really wrestles against the unseen spirits of the father of lies, a legion you must call fathers . .
What kind of hope is that? A hope seen , dead? You chose that rather than walking by faith the unseen spiritual house Made up of many lively stones . .,

Believer are commanded by the born again spirit that works in them to study to show the approval of God working in them . You simply place your legion of fathers seen as the authority the pew sitters must seek. . obeying those who lord it over the faith as a "law of the fathers". They tell the pew sitters to beware of sola scriptura (all things written in the law and the prophets the Bible ). They hold their own book of the law of the fathers above sola scriptura .the law of our one father not seen. To show the world what teaching master (of men) they must follow

Christians are made aware of the wile of the evil one. Who would worship our humble dear sister in the Lord, Mary making her Queen as the only one that received the fulness of God's grace. the remnant of the world receive a unknown amount of grace and mercy and must offer their own sufferings all the day of their lives and after they stop breathing they can still suffer for another unknow remnant of time in a unknown place the call purgatory. The law of limbo has been destroyed for some time by a law of the fathers. .

The law of the fathers .Simply another gospel another Christ (anti) as a law of the anti-fathers.

EleventhHour · Aug 21, 2020

Kemorean said:

This does not exist.

If it did, it certainly has not worked, considering how far off the mark the Catholic Catechism is from the teachings of the bible.
I say this with no malice as a former Catholic who is well aware of their teachings.

Kemorean · Aug 30, 2020

dcontroversal said:

So pal....I challenged you to prove that the Catholic Church worships Mary by providing us with so much as ONE official doctrine of the Church that says Catholics are to worship Mary, and..you could not! You now know that the Catholic Church does NOT teach that Catholics are to worship Mary. So, if you continue to teach that it does..you will be bearing false witness! And..Catholics do NOT sing your version -'ALL HAIL MARY' as you accuse. Catholics greet Mary as God's messenger, the Angel Gabriel, did.. "Hail (Mary) Full of Grace.."' See Luke 1:28 for that. As for Mary's interceding with Jesus. How is it wrong to ask Jesus to help others as Mary did at Cana? Then Jesus granted her request! YOU intercede for someone every time you pray for them! You need to come out of the false religion that is Anti-Catholicism. It teeters on such flimsy pillars like. "Catholics worship Mary."

Nehemiah6 · Aug 30, 2020

Kemorean said:

If this were true, then Mary would be ABSENT from Catholic theology, just as she is absent from non-Catholic theology.

The fact of the matter is that according to the Catholic Church Mary has taken a position which only belongs to Christ. So she is indeed VIRTUALLY worshiped by Catholics (particularly those who are rank-and-file Catholics). Salve Regina is an official Catholic hymnal prayer to Mary.

"Salve Regina was used in a variety of liturgical purposes, including as a processional hymn and as an end-of-day song. In addition, the Salve Regina is included in funeral Masses for priests, usually sung at the end of the ceremony by other priests attending the service."

"Salve Regina (Hail, Holy Queen) This is one of four Marian antiphons, with following versicles and prayers, traditionally said or sung after night prayer, immediately before going to sleep. It is said from the end of Eastertide until the beginning of Advent. "

And here is what it says:
Latin Text of the Salve Regina
Regina, mater misericordiae:
Vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve.
Ad te clamamus, exsules, filii Hevae.
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
in hac lacrimarum valle.
Eia ergo, Advocata nostra,
illos tuos misericordes oculos
ad nos converte.
Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui,
nobis, post hoc exsilium ostende.
O clemens: O pia: O dulcis
Virgo Maria.

English Translation of the Salve Regina
Queen, mother of mercy:
our life, sweetness, and hope, hail.
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve.
To you we sigh, mourning and weeping
in this valley of tears.
Turn then, our advocate,
those merciful eyes
toward us.
And Jesus, the blessed fruit of thy womb,
after our exile, show us.
O clement, O loving, O sweet
Virgin Mary.

Divine mercy comes from God and Christ. Christ Himself is our Life and our Hope. And our divine Advocate in Heaven is Christ Himself. But here Mary has been given divine status as (1) "Queen", (2) "mother of mercy", (3) "our life", (4) "our hope", and (5) "our advocate". If this is not worship then we do not know the meaning of worship.

garee · Aug 30, 2020

Kemorean said:

Anti would be another Catholicism like the Greek orthodox . Or the Pharisees with Sadducees two that put their differences aside to resist sola scriptura .(all things written in the Bible. "

They must serve what they call the Devine laws of the fathers (Oral tradition of men)

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 80

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Catholicism does not have anything to do with Christianity .They serve a completely different teaching master as masters (a legion) . One of men, the temporal. The other Christians of one God, one master not seen, the eternal. Not a legion of fathers as patron saints the foundation of necromancy.

The word venerate or "venerable ones" does not excuse Catholics from saying they do not worship men or women. It is no different than calling them worship-able. Ones that lord it over the spiritual understanding of others. A false source of faith .Not of Christ's faith that works in us. . but of corrupted mankind.

The non venerable pew sitters are not allowed to be part of the ceremonies . Their purpose is to watch the show. and hail a entity called Mary . Called the mother of mercy as if mercy came from corruption . In the end usurping the mercy of God the father. He has mercy on Mary just as he did one her son Jesus . Strengthening him over and over to finish the demonstration

It would be easy to prove if we used the book of the law, the Bible. But you must serve another teaching authority other than all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

The Catholic sect is built of some queen, a disembodied worker as a familiar spirit. . they have named it Mary . They teach that Mary alone received the fullness of Grace. Every other human a unknown remnant of grace. Rather than building on faith coming from the scriptures .They chased or sought after after mystical wonders "venerable things" .

And they according to the law of the fathers . . . keep offering your tribulation and sufferings adding it to the unknown remnant of grace and if you do not finish while still breathing oxygen there is plenty of time to wonder in limbo, just how long they will surfer in a place called purgatory for another unknow remnant of time or severity of sufferings.

Take away Mary the Jewish imaginary Queen of heave take away salvation and establish faith as it is written.

Benadam · Aug 30, 2020

Catholics honor Jesus' mother as Jesus honors her. She is our mother. He said to John" Behold your mother." He didn't say...take care of my mother.

God has lifted human life up to Himself . He shares His Mission with her in an unique and exclusive way. The maternal bond is the most intimate and character forming natural bond. He shared His suffering with her as Simeon Prophesied.
She could say "bone of my bone flesh of my flesh."
The increase in pain in bringing forth children she suffered in the fullest sense at the foot of the cross.

It's a shame that a prejudice, a hate, for a doctrine could blind people to the height Jesus has lifted her.

To many non-Catholic Christians I think Catholics may be putting her in God's place. Christ lifted her up to Himself . Of course she doesn't sit at the right hand of the Father. If you see Catholics putting Mary in God's place, look up, God's up higher than you're looking.

Catholics aren't so dumb as you make us out to be.

notuptome · Aug 30, 2020

Benadam said:

Catholics honor Jesus' mother as Jesus honors her. She is our mother. He said to John" Behold your mother." He didn't say...take care of my mother.

God has lifted human life up to Himself . He shares His Mission with her in an unique and exclusive way. The maternal bond is the most intimate and character forming natural bond. He shared His suffering with her as Simeon Prophesied.
She could say "bone of my bone flesh of my flesh."
The increase in pain in bringing forth children she suffered in the fullest sense at the foot of the cross.

It's a shame that a prejudice, a hate, for a doctrine could blind people to the height Jesus has lifted her.

To many non-Catholic Christians I think Catholics may be putting her in God's place. Christ lifted her up to Himself . Of course she doesn't sit at the right hand of the Father. If you see Catholics putting Mary in God's place, look up, God's up higher than you're looking.

Catholics aren't so dumb as you make us out to be.

How does a catholic attain to eternal life? Describe catholic soteriology according to catholic dogma.

Mariology is only a symptom not a cause of deep doctrinal error.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Benadam · Aug 30, 2020

notuptome said:

For a Catholic we believe Jesus and the Gospel. We keep our friendship with Christ intact by participating in the Sacramental life, confessing our sins.
We carry our crosses that God puts before us. We abide in Christ and persevere to the end.

Mary's soul magnifies the Lord. She is called Blessed from generation to Generation.
She delivered the Word of God to the world.

And you can't find a reason for a study (Mariology) of her life? Jesus's mom?

infinitekhanol · Aug 30, 2020

"Nehemiah6, posted

If this were true, then Mary would be ABSENT from Catholic theology, just as she is absent from non-Catholic theology.

The fact of the matter is that according to the Catholic Church Mary has taken a position which only belongs to Christ. So she is indeed VIRTUALLY worshiped by Catholics (particularly those who are rank-and-file Catholics). Salve Regina is an official Catholic hymnal prayer to Mary.

"Salve Regina was used in a variety of liturgical purposes, including as a processional hymn and as an end-of-day song. In addition, the Salve Regina is included in funeral Masses for priests, usually sung at the end of the ceremony by other priests attending the service."

"Salve Regina (Hail, Holy Queen) This is one of four Marian antiphons, with following versicles and prayers, traditionally said or sung after night prayer, immediately before going to sleep. It is said from the end of Eastertide until the beginning of Advent. "

And here is what it says:
Latin Text of the Salve Regina
Regina, mater misericordiae:
Vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve.
Ad te clamamus, exsules, filii Hevae.
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
in hac lacrimarum valle.
Eia ergo, Advocata nostra,
illos tuos misericordes oculos
ad nos converte.
Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui,
nobis, post hoc exsilium ostende.
O clemens: O pia: O dulcis
Virgo Maria.

English Translation of the Salve Regina
Queen, mother of mercy:
our life, sweetness, and hope, hail.
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve.
To you we sigh, mourning and weeping
in this valley of tears.
Turn then, our advocate,
those merciful eyes
toward us.
And Jesus, the blessed fruit of thy womb,
after our exile, show us.
O clement, O loving, O sweet
Virgin Mary.

Divine mercy comes from God and Christ. Christ Himself is our Life and our Hope. And our divine Advocate in Heaven is Christ Himself. But here Mary has been given divine status as (1) "Queen", (2) "mother of mercy", (3) "our life", (4) "our hope", and (5) "our advocate". If this is not worship then we do not know the meaning of worship.

Don't you think this could be a sign of love and devotion { not worship} to a mother who brought into the world our Lord and Saviour. who also suffered the pain and agony of physically seeing her son hang on the cross even though she rejoices in the truth of our salvation. It was prophesied to her that her own soul shall be pierced with a sword so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed. Luke 2:35. I cannot begin to imagine what she went through on that road to Calvary. I truly think she deserves all our devotion and love.

notuptome · Aug 30, 2020

Benadam said:

If religion could effect forgiveness of sin you would have a case to argue. As such you remain in darkness and separated from God in your sin.

You cannot abide in Him whom you do not know. No amount of sacraments can bridge the gulf between man and God. You cannot persevere when you are already dead. You must be born again. You must be saved by grace through faith into Christ.

The merits of Mary are of no consequence in the matter of salvation. Only after Mary recognized Jesus as Messiah did she receive forgiveness of her sin and inherit eternal life.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Truth7t7 · Aug 30, 2020

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