Current Science Suggests Creator

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This is a giant subject that I kept concise and leave it to you to research the components as you choose. An excellent starting video:


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Expanding Universe/Big Bang
Discovery of the red shift of light indicates stars/galaxies from all directions are moving away from us. The universe is expanding and had a beginning, commonly titled the Big Bang, indicating energy/matter appearing from nonexistence.

Fine Tuning/Goldilocks Universe
Physicists discover the parameter settings of the physical universe including speed of light, electromagnetism, gravity and many more, and find that if any of these parameters were a faction different life could not exist on earth.

DNA/Code Language
The DNA code A, C, G, T is code language that conveys information to the cell. Encoding and decoding. Cells transcribe DNA into RNA and translate RNA into proteins—an encoding/decoding pipeline analogous to writing and reading. Information‑theory models have been used to map this process to engineered communication systems. Information/code comes from a mind.

Irreducible Complexity
In contrast to the theory mutation and natural selection accounts for all living structures, with the development of molecular biology we find living structures that have Irreducible Complexity, a single system composed of several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning. You don't naturally select for part of a system that has no benefit.

Example 1 — Bacterial flagellum
What it is: a rotary motor‑like structure that propels many bacteria, built from dozens of protein parts (structural, rotor, stator, hook, filament).

Because many parts are required for motility, removing any one part would abolish function, so the flagellum is irreducibly complex and thus unlikely to have evolved stepwise.

Example 2 — Blood‑clotting cascade
What it is: a multi‑step biochemical cascade of proteases and cofactors that converts soluble fibrinogen into insoluble fibrin to stop bleeding.

The cascade requires many interacting proteins in sequence; loss of any essential component prevents clotting, so the system is irreducibly complex.

Insufficient Time for New Body Types
Research has been done with bacteria (etc) to see how many successful mutations can occur to get an idea of how many years it would take to create the life in the fossil record.

Earth was cool enough to support life at aprox 2.5 billion years ago. Calculations have been made and there isn't even close to enough time.

Failure to produce living cell from primordial catalysts and electricity
In 1953 the Urey-Miller experiment was able to produce some amino acids for a period of time. The hope was continuing research would produce life. But after 73 years of research into molecular biology and DNA what was hoped to be close it is now understood to stretch to the horizon. Various amino acids have a short life and so many conditions are necessary to create rudimentary structures such as proteins. How life begin is not known, and there's a long way to go.
 
This is highly interesting stuff. For years, I've been convinced most scientists believe there is a god. After all, the first law of thermodynamics states "energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only change forms, such as converting heat into work, or being transferred between a system and its surroundings." In my understanding, this reads that some force or power had to have always existed since, or really before, the beginning of time. In my understanding, this sounds very close to John 1:1-3,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing made had being."

It seems to me, and I'm willing to be wrong, that God is the energy source and is thus the first law of thermodynamics. I think the scientific movement of old and of the now, just don’t want to acknowledge the God of the Bible as absolute authority. There was a lot of work put into to discrediting and challanging the idea of a god, but then in the end, it's accepted to acknowledge the idea of a higher power. Some believe in aliens to be it. This pattern creates the perfect mindset for people to reject the true God and other religions and become more willing to submit to the Beast and see him as a god
 
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Clever. I like that. What do you think about the current science that supports a creator?

For some it's a journey of relief. They have found evidence of A Creator. And they rest.
For some others, (Like Christians) they get a nice smile in their face because they've always known that God is there.
And for some others (let's call these people atheists), they're a bit like a deer in the headlights. Oho, what do i do with this info now? This says that God is real? I'm gonna call it Multiverse ... or Matrix theory ... so i can sound cool among my peers ... without realizing that those are synonyms for Omnipotence and Eternity or Without Beginning or End.
 
For some it's a journey of relief. They have found evidence of A Creator. And they rest.
For some others, (Like Christians) they get a nice smile in their face because they've always known that God is there.
And for some others (let's call these people atheists), they're a bit like a deer in the headlights. Oho, what do i do with this info now? This says that God is real? I'm gonna call it Multiverse ... or Matrix theory ... so i can sound cool among my peers ... without realizing that those are synonyms for Omnipotence and Eternity or Without Beginning or End.
Hi Eli! Say, can you clarify what you were saying at the end there?
"This says that God is real? I'm gonna call it Multiverse ... or Matrix theory ... so i can sound cool among my peers ... without realizing that those are synonyms for Omnipotence and Eternity or Without Beginning or End."
What do you mean by that?

Are you saying the Multiverse Theory or (were mostly likely living in a) Simulation hypothesis indicate the universe is without a beginning? I've never heard a scientist or philosopher assert that. I don't think the multiverse or simulation hypothesis has any innate indicator of the universe not having a beginning.
 
Hi Eli! Say, can you clarify what you were saying at the end there?
"This says that God is real? I'm gonna call it Multiverse ... or Matrix theory ... so i can sound cool among my peers ... without realizing that those are synonyms for Omnipotence and Eternity or Without Beginning or End."
What do you mean by that?

Are you saying the Multiverse Theory or (were mostly likely living in a) Simulation hypothesis indicate the universe is without a beginning? I've never heard a scientist or philosopher assert that. I don't think the multiverse or simulation hypothesis has any innate indicator of the universe not having a beginning.
Yes sorry, my third point there came out wrong since i was being a bit funny but here's the clear version.

Those who don't believe in the scientific community will say that 'Reality is no real'. Philosophers such as Nick Bostrom came up with this theory. The matrix theory it's called, from the movie The Matrix.
However this in itself says that 'Someone' is managing this Matrix, yet they don't want to call that God.

The other philosophical point is the Multiverse. In order to explain how this Universe came into existence, science philosophers says that "A multiverse of infinity exists which collides and creates more Universes".
This however speaks of an attribute of God who is without beginning or end.

So basically these folks who want to avoid at all costs saying the name God, are using attributes which belong to God actually.
I hope i made sense in here and you understood it.
 
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This is highly interesting stuff. For years, I've been convinced most scientists believe there is a god. After all, the first law of thermodynamics states "energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only change forms, such as converting heat into work, or being transferred between a system and its surroundings." In my understanding, this reads that some force or power had to have always existed since, or really before, the beginning of time. In my understanding, this sounds very close to John 1:1-3,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing made had being."

It seems to me, and I'm willing to be wrong, that God is the energy source and is thus the first law of thermodynamics. I think the scientific movement of old and of the now, just don’t want to acknowledge the God of the Bible as absolute authority. There was a lot of work put into to discrediting and challanging the idea of a god, but then in the end, it's accepted to acknowledge the idea of a higher power. Some believe in aliens to be it. This pattern creates the perfect mindset for people to reject the true God and other religions and become more willing to submit to the Beast and see him as a god
Agree thermaldynamic 1st law is God's creation, He created and it is done.

I think the thermal 2nd law is the curse after sin. Entropy increase when we do "work". That's the reason society id going down, not up.

However if we trust Jesus, and follow Jesus, the curse is less, blessing increases. A little prosperity there.
 
Agree thermaldynamic 1st law is God's creation, He created and it is done.

I think the thermal 2nd law is the curse after sin. Entropy increase when we do "work". That's the reason society id going down, not up.

However if we trust Jesus, and follow Jesus, the curse is less, blessing increases. A little prosperity there.
Ah, I see. That might coincide with King Solomon's quote on how man's works and accomplishments are futile when not done for the glory of God.

I won't lie, it took me a while to grasp that second law of thermodynamics lol
 
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