Dad's (now in heaven) comments and mine on Adam's sin

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I do not agree with all his views expressed in this writing, as the Bible says we are all sinners. And Romans shows how we must struggle regularly against sin.
Rom 7:24-25

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV


And the Lord's prayer, shows that there is always a need to ask God for forgiveness of sin in daily life, regardless of how sincerely or diligently we serve God in life.
Matt 6:12

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
KJV


There is such a thing as hypocrisy, spoken of in the Bible, and for sure, God never finds that acceptable. But those who don't willingly sin, and only sin unintentionally, and regularly and sincerely repent of all sin, are not hypocrites. It is only those who willingly sin without remorse, who are hypocrites, according to God. Jesus described the Pharisees as being hypocrites.

Luke 11:44

44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
KJV

John 8:41-42

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
KJV


But I and my brothers and sisters are all very grateful for all the good Bible training he gave all of us. He showed us the way of salvation through Jesus. There is no subject so important as that of the way of salvation, in the Bible. But some well-meaning Christians, like my dad, had a tendency to add other things as being almost equally important to know and agree on - as that subject of the way of salvation. He found it difficult to sympathize with Christians who differed in their viewpoints on many spiritual subjects. I know he loved God though, and so in spite of what I feel was imperfect understanding on some Bible subjects - he's in heaven - and so also by now has come to understand all things perfectly. That perfect understanding of all things comes to all those who die in Christ, upon arriving in heaven.
2 Peter 1:14

14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me
KJV

1 Cor 13:12

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
KJV

Ok now, here's Dad's writing on the subject of Adam's sin:
IN GOD’S IMAGE AND LIKENESS

God determined to make man like Himself, “in His own image and likeness.” (Genesis 1:26-27) What would that likeness be? What could it be? God is an invisible spirit, and man has a very visible body of flesh and bones. It is hard to imagine that any similarity would be possible, but God can do all things. He made the first man like Himself just as He said He would.

Christians have disagreed sharply as to the nature of this likeness, although most of them, by far, the great majority of them, follow the teaching of a fourth century theologian named Augustine; they are sure that man’s original likeness to God was his holiness. God was — and still is -- holy; the man-creature would also be holy; he would be absolutely sinless. Moreover, God intended that man remain holy, but, alas! He sinned, so they believe that he lost his likeness to God. He was no longer “in God’s image” but became a fallen creature, a sinner by birth and, was, therefore, unable to obey God’s commandments.

A correct interpretation of every portion of God’s

word is important, but for this account it is especially crucial; it affects the interpretation of many important passages which follow, and it introduces the reader to both God and man. If God’s design of man allowed His principal creature to fail immediately, we must doubt His wisdom. His creative work was faulty. If man is as weak as most Christians believe he is, then constant failure must be expected. Obedience ceases to be important, for everybody will sin constantly. And, finally, God must be a very indulgent Being, for He apparently overlooks their failings, or they would not be Christians – and they rarely doubt that they are.

I have come to believe that man’s likeness to God is not his original holiness. There is no statement in the Bible declaring it. The idea originated with a theologian, not God. God’s holiness is unique. All that He does is right. Man is righteous only when he obeys God word. God is above His commandments. He says, for example, in Deuteronomy 32:39, “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal.” No man can choose to do such things.
 
And the Lord's prayer, shows that there is always a need to ask God for forgiveness of sin in daily life, regardless of how sincerely or diligently we serve God in life.
Matt 6:12
Agreed! i always do it and even minor sins are confessed to God in the hopes that he will forgive me.
 
I do not agree with all his views expressed in this writing, as the Bible says we are all sinners. And Romans shows how we must struggle regularly against sin.
Rom 7:24-25

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV


And the Lord's prayer, shows that there is always a need to ask God for forgiveness of sin in daily life, regardless of how sincerely or diligently we serve God in life.
Matt 6:12

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
KJV


There is such a thing as hypocrisy, spoken of in the Bible, and for sure, God never finds that acceptable. But those who don't willingly sin, and only sin unintentionally, and regularly and sincerely repent of all sin, are not hypocrites. It is only those who willingly sin without remorse, who are hypocrites, according to God. Jesus described the Pharisees as being hypocrites.

Luke 11:44

44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
KJV

John 8:41-42

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
KJV


But I and my brothers and sisters are all very grateful for all the good Bible training he gave all of us. He showed us the way of salvation through Jesus. There is no subject so important as that of the way of salvation, in the Bible. But some well-meaning Christians, like my dad, had a tendency to add other things as being almost equally important to know and agree on - as that subject of the way of salvation. He found it difficult to sympathize with Christians who differed in their viewpoints on many spiritual subjects. I know he loved God though, and so in spite of what I feel was imperfect understanding on some Bible subjects - he's in heaven - and so also by now has come to understand all things perfectly. That perfect understanding of all things comes to all those who die in Christ, upon arriving in heaven.
2 Peter 1:14

14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me
KJV

1 Cor 13:12

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
KJV

Ok now, here's Dad's writing on the subject of Adam's sin:
IN GOD’S IMAGE AND LIKENESS
...

A correct interpretation of every portion of God’s

word is important, but for this account it is especially crucial; it affects the interpretation of many important passages which follow, and it introduces the reader to both God and man. If God’s design of man allowed His principal creature to fail immediately, we must doubt His wisdom. His creative work was faulty. If man is as weak as most Christians believe he is, then constant failure must be expected. Obedience ceases to be important, for everybody will sin constantly. And, finally, God must be a very indulgent Being, for He apparently overlooks their failings, or they would not be Christians – and they rarely doubt that they are.

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I think you loved your dad - and miss him.

I'm not sure which were your dad's words and which were yours, so forgive me if I address the wrong person. But I would like to comment on a few things.

"LIKENESS" usually has to to with construction or the way something is made. Now God is a Spirit (Jn.4:24) and we are a "Soul" (Gen.3.7). So in this aspect we are not "like" Him. But God has a Soul (e.g. Lev.26:11, 30) and a study of the soul of both God and man will show that it is made of three parts - (i) mind, or thought process, (ii) will, or deciding organ, and (iii) emotions, or feeling process. And it is here that we are "like" God. We can process a matter intellectually. This matter will then dictate our decisions. And this matter will provoke feelings. If God is slighted, the thought of this slight will evoke anger and He will decide to avenge Himself. We react to slights the same way.

"IMAGE" is what you see in a photograph or a mirror. If God turns left and we are in His image, we will turn left. If God forgives and we are in His image we will forgive. If God is love and we are hateful, we know that we are not in His image. If we entertain thoughts of rebellion we immediately know that we are in the image of the chief rebel - the Serpent.

More can be said, but this is a start. Not knowing the author of the following from your post, I don't judge anybody. But something needs to be said. QUOTE;
If God’s design of man allowed His principal creature to fail immediately, we must doubt His wisdom. His creative work was faulty. If man is as weak as most Christians believe he is, then constant failure must be expected. Obedience ceases to be important, for everybody will sin constantly. And, finally, God must be a very indulgent Being, for He apparently overlooks their failings, or they would not be Christians – and they rarely doubt that they are.

God designed man in good order. But part of this design was that man was lower than the angels. It is God's glory to show His wisdom and power in the weaker (1st Cor.1:26-29). This forced an issue that was not resolved with the angels. Would man be DEPENDENT on God, or would man believe that HE ALONE could cope? The decider was the Tree of Life. Would man recognize his dependence on having the nature and life of God, or would he try to cope by himself? Eve should have consulted here source - Adam. Adam should have consulted his Source - God. If this had been done then we would have had half a chance. But the Person of Jesus Christ shows the true way. He was "born" of the Holy Spirit and prayed continually so as to know what God decision was. Although He was as weak as the rest of us in His humanity, our Lord never failed once. Why? He (i) had His Father's nature and life, and (ii) He set aside His will at all times.

God, in His omniscience, knew that Adam would fail when He made him, but far from a defeat (or lack of wisdom, as the text above maintains), God could now use man's failure to show more of His Person, attributes and glory. God is not taken by surprise - ever, and He is not afraid of His creature's weakness. It affords Him the opportunity to show more of Himself - to His glory. In this, God's creative work was "very good", and His actions following Adam's failure, even better. Adam failed, NOT because he was weak. Adam failed because he chose his source to be himself when he was not designed for it.

The next point was the opinion that failure would be the order of the day and that obedience ceases to be important. But in judicial terms this is unheard of. Will God wink at sin because Adam was weak? Will He wink at your sins because you are weak? Will the Traffic Police wink at you exceeding the speed limit by 30 mph because you are weak? Perish the thought. Every transgression will be met with justice! And the proof of this is what happened to God's beloved Son, Jesus. If God was a God who brushed aside transgressions because man was weak, how do we explain the most gruesome event in the history of the universe? Did God suddenly become more unrighteous than Satan because He afflicted His Son FOR NOTHING! Again, perish the thought! The terrible things that befell our beloved Lord WAS BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT RELEASE ONE SINGLE SIN!

And thus, OBEDIENCE becomes the central theme of scripture - AND NO ONE IS RELEASED FROM THIS OBLIGATION. It is emphatic! "Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven!" And "Only he who does the WILL of my Father in heaven will enter the Kingdom of Heaven!" (Matt.6:10, 7:21). Where in this do we find INDULGENCE? God has never lowered His standard since He first spoke to Adam. A FULL ACCOUNT must be given of EVERY ACTION. The only difference with us is that an innocent Man VOLUNTARILY made Himself available for our transgression. But the day of OUR reckoning is still coming. Are God's words empty when He says in 1st Corinthians 3:13-15;

13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."


Let every Christian settle this in his/her mind. There is NO ESCAPE. What you do in the Church life today HAS CONSEQUENCES. God's essence is Spirit. God's character is RIGHTEOUSNESS. True, His character is also LOVE, but righteousness comes above love. Jesus must PAY before He is accorded love. He cries, while sweating blood, to escape the Father's affliction. Jesus receives "stripes" and thorns and nails long. There was NO ESCAPE. Justice and grace are mutually EXCLUSIVE. If a judge gives a sentence according to law he is righteous. But if he extaneds grace and lets the sentence slide, he is "grace-full" BUT UNRIGHTEOUS! It is only through the magnificent SACRIFICE of Golgotha that

"Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." (Ps.85:10)