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they don't like super-long emotional discussions either.get to the point i think is the idea.
I think I'm startin' to like Canadians
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Dangers of Manism
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I think I'm startin' to like Canadians
I think I'm startin' to like Canadians
what's not to like? haha
hey are you really a welder? that's one thing i want to learn to do. my dad taught me some a long time ago but i was afraid of the sparks at the time. now i'm older i'd like to try it again because i want to do art in metal. do welders take on apprentices?
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what's not to like? haha
I just hadn't had an opinion one way or the other before. Although wisdom like yours may have an influence.
hey are you really a welder? that's one thing i want to learn to do. my dad taught me some a long time ago but i was afraid of the sparks at the time. now i'm older i'd like to try it again because i want to do art in metal. do welders take on apprentices?
Yes ma'am, I'm a 2nd generation welder.
Taught by Pipefitters and Mare Island ship fabricators.
Sorry to hear the sparks were discouraging at the time.
Yeah, I've caught my shirt on fire more than once thinking I'm just gonna "weld this up real quick"
Then while the hoods down suddenly think "man it's gettin hot in here"
Look down...oh...thats why.
But it's not bad at all if you put the leathers on and pretend you're just holding a 4th of July sparkler.
Welders better take on apprentices, otherwise I wouldn't have learned the various methods.
Metal art can be fun, I'd encourage you to pick it up again if you feel it's something you enjoy.
Yes ma'am, I'm a 2nd generation welder.
Taught by Pipefitters and Mare Island ship fabricators.
Sorry to hear the sparks were discouraging at the time.
Yeah, I've caught my shirt on fire more than once thinking I'm just gonna "weld this up real quick"
Then while the hoods down suddenly think "man it's gettin hot in here"
Look down...oh...thats why.
But it's not bad at all if you put the leathers on and pretend you're just holding a 4th of July sparkler.
Welders better take on apprentices, otherwise I wouldn't have learned the various methods.
Metal art can be fun, I'd encourage you to pick it up again if you feel it's something you enjoy.
well i think i might do that. i love metal art. and there's something about a welder's shop that's......
appealing.now i might be in trouble with the extreme feminists. oops. haha. maybe they make pink aprons (?)
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well i think i might do that. i love metal art. and there's something about a welder's shop that's......
You like a dirty shop with steel and welding dust all over the place
now i might be in trouble with the extreme feminists. oops. haha. maybe they make pink aprons (?)
No pink aprons...Please don't
How about a black one with silver studs lining the edge
You can wear pink socks if you want though
You can wear pink socks if you want though
haha...okay no pink apron. hey maybe i could decorate my own (black one).
and yep, i like a dirty shop with steel and welding dust all over the place - it's cool watching all the sparks.
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Yes of course you may decorate it however you....waiiiiit a minute(You're just gonna decorate it with pink stuff now arentcha)
(You're just gonna decorate it with pink stuff now arentcha)
hey look what they have!
Ok but the topic of this thread is "Dangers of Manism". Please don't derail otherwise.
okay i'm sorry. i thought midnightwelder was modelling non-manism (or whatever it is). i guess i don't run into Manism very often so i haven't got much to say. sorry.
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Oh my goodness that's awesome 
Lemme see it, I wanna check it out
*Places it on the shelf, thats so pretty you wouldnt wanna go messin it up
Hear I'll let ya use mine for the time being
Here ya go
Lemme see it, I wanna check it out
*Places it on the shelf, thats so pretty you wouldnt wanna go messin it up
Hear I'll let ya use mine for the time being
Here ya go
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MidniteWelder, I want you to watch this video.
That Day After Everyday - Short Film - YouTube
You're my brother and I've interacted with you many times. It's cool you like welding.
I tried welding too!!
Used to file metal for creating lock pieces. I used to get really cool bruises . It was fun
That Day After Everyday - Short Film - YouTube
You're my brother and I've interacted with you many times. It's cool you like welding.
I tried welding too
!!Used to file metal for creating lock pieces. I used to get really cool bruises . It was fun
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I took the time to watch the video Rachel
It's good to know how to defend yourself against such things be it from a man or a woman.
I see it from both genders.
For instance: I used to have a girlfriend years ago who used to try to hit me.
And though i never did hit her back I think she did that to try and get me to.
and I never did understand why.
It's good for women to be able to defend themselves and their role to be able to make certain decisions.
I liked how MsSpratt was defending her role to wear what she wanted to weld in as well as her responses in doing so.
It's pretty cool you took an interest in welding and metal work too Rachel.
I don't see it as just a mans occupation and many women are actually found to be more skilled at doing so.
With that said, I hope it can be understood that playfulness and a few people entertaining one another in the forums helps to break the monotony of all too seriousness once in awhile and helps lighten the mood.
I suppose a lot of it depends on ones mood at the time.
I do hope no offense was taken to you Rachel.
MsSpratt, I actually think that helmet you showed is pretty cool and think you should get one since it would be a display of your femininity and individuality in something you enjoy.
(please don't look at the welding sparks without one)
God Bless
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It's good to know how to defend yourself against such things be it from a man or a woman.
I see it from both genders.
For instance: I used to have a girlfriend years ago who used to try to hit me.
And though i never did hit her back I think she did that to try and get me to.
and I never did understand why.
It's good for women to be able to defend themselves and their role to be able to make certain decisions.
I liked how MsSpratt was defending her role to wear what she wanted to weld in as well as her responses in doing so.
It's pretty cool you took an interest in welding and metal work too Rachel.
I don't see it as just a mans occupation and many women are actually found to be more skilled at doing so.
With that said, I hope it can be understood that playfulness and a few people entertaining one another in the forums helps to break the monotony of all too seriousness once in awhile and helps lighten the mood.
I suppose a lot of it depends on ones mood at the time.
I do hope no offense was taken to you Rachel.
MsSpratt, I actually think that helmet you showed is pretty cool and think you should get one since it would be a display of your femininity and individuality in something you enjoy.
(please don't look at the welding sparks without one
)God Bless
Midnite
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Thank you, MidniteWelder for watching the video,
the video isn't only about self-defense. It's also the attitude of the people. I think because it's in Hindi, the essence of the dialogue is lost.
When the video opens, it begins with the woman cooking and making tea for her husband who's reading out stories from the newspaper on rape and sexual harrassment.
He quotes a politician who claims "chowmein" is responsible for it. He also discourages his wife from working and instead of defending her from the goons who are ''dhobis'' (people who iron clothes) , he tells her stuff like, they iron your clothes so they know who you are, and what you wear.
The next scene cuts to the single mother. Her mother in law also tells her not to go work outside and says its women's fault because men can't ''control'' themselves.
The TV in the background is also full of news of these things.
Even in the public transport system, some man tries to harrass the two women travelling.
Maybe the video is in context to women in India, but I still want to share it because I suspect that sort of attitude isn't just relegated to one region.
These women learn to defend themselves, and the point of the video is to show that they had to take charge by themselves.
Even their own families didn't help them.The crowd remains a passive bystander.
The video isn't only about self defense. It's about awareness. That was the point of sharing. Thanks.
the video isn't only about self-defense. It's also the attitude of the people. I think because it's in Hindi, the essence of the dialogue is lost.
When the video opens, it begins with the woman cooking and making tea for her husband who's reading out stories from the newspaper on rape and sexual harrassment.
He quotes a politician who claims "chowmein" is responsible for it. He also discourages his wife from working and instead of defending her from the goons who are ''dhobis'' (people who iron clothes) , he tells her stuff like, they iron your clothes so they know who you are, and what you wear.
The next scene cuts to the single mother. Her mother in law also tells her not to go work outside and says its women's fault because men can't ''control'' themselves.
The TV in the background is also full of news of these things.
Even in the public transport system, some man tries to harrass the two women travelling.
Maybe the video is in context to women in India, but I still want to share it because I suspect that sort of attitude isn't just relegated to one region.
These women learn to defend themselves, and the point of the video is to show that they had to take charge by themselves.
Even their own families didn't help them.The crowd remains a passive bystander.
The video isn't only about self defense. It's about awareness. That was the point of sharing. Thanks.
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I think you both should get married
Well maybe, had we not been interrupted...I guess we'll never know now
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Just to point out, that we Canadians do not fit a "one size" sort of definition. I stand in honest defense of my long posts, in all the forums here. Now, I could be sneaky and divide it into one paragraph posts, thereby getting more posts to my credit, maybe more likes and reputation comments. But I don't! So that is my piece of derailment.
I watched the movie, and it was easy to understand, esp. with your synopsis above. I was very tortured to know women have to live like that anywhere! I know women are degraded and not valued in a lot of Indian culture, but I was glad to see these women training and fighting back. I hope the observers testified it was self defense, and the manism culture does not extend to the court system. I do know a woman Lutheran pastor here who was from India. Her father is the head of the Missouri Synod in India. Ironically, he does not believe in ordaining women pastors, except his two daughters. I guess that is a different sort of manism? Or maybe just a proud father, who does not see that other women could be exceptional, like his daughters are. I learned so much from that chaplain!
I will say that in Canada, we do not have the problem of men coming after women on the street. Sadly, Rachel, the only time I was ever touched by a man he was from India, and he grabbed my bottom at a red street light while I was innocently walking in a full length skirt, and fully covered. I did not take it, I screamed, yelled and pushed him away and told him he was sexually molesting a pregnant woman! A bunch of men did not take what he did lightly, either, and went after him. I hope he never touched another woman again.
In Canada, though, abuse is quite regular in the home. The opening shots of the video remind me of a lot of men I know. Fortunately, not all! And I did get she was making him tea! Chai was my clue. LOL
I would love to say, well, this is what Hinduism does to people. It makes them think that certain people, be it by caste or gender, are better than others. Men, obviously tend to think that women are barely people in India, and treat them accordingly. However, when certain elements in the Christian church start to want to define people by roles, and then say that is God's intention for those created in His image, then I have to discuss vehemently that roles are not Biblical, but a result of the Fall. How can these Indian men ever change, if even when Christ is introduced into their lives, they are told that women should be getting the tea before work, and never mind that they are created in the image of God, to serve God, not to be a slave to a husband.
I am not criticizing anyone in this forum. I do think the video is worth watching. I know when I lived in the Bay area of California in the early '60's, my father said it was too dangerous for a woman to walk the streets alone. I would imagine that 50 years later, it is a lot worse. I can only pray that the attitudes of manism do not invade our Canadian culture. And most of the Christian men are very understanding that God calls men and women to work for him. One of my friends on FB was a missionary to South Korea for many years. Her husband has encouraged her to continue to learn and grow, and minister to other Christians. She just wrote her comprehensives for her Ph.D. I helped pray for her, that she would do a good job. She writes Bible studies that are deductive and they are so well done on different books of the Bible, although she is supposedly retired, working for the Lord never ends!
As for working with torches, I was a jeweler for 7 years. I only worked with acetylene, and never with the other various kinds of welders. But a women should definitely be allowed to do that kind of work, if she is capable. A friend of mine's husband works as a supervisor on oil and gas lines, and he has women welders all the time. And the government here actually will help a woman train as a welder, or any other trade. We have a terrible trade shortage in Alberta, because we have so much oil and gas. So employers are always delighted to hire anyone who is trained to do the job.
Thanks for adding the video. It helped me understand a lot about your culture. I know I have seen another video on Indian women learning to fight, and ganging up on men who beat on their wives, because the authorities will not do a thing. It strikes me as fighting violence with violence, but desperate times call for desperate means!
I watched the movie, and it was easy to understand, esp. with your synopsis above. I was very tortured to know women have to live like that anywhere! I know women are degraded and not valued in a lot of Indian culture, but I was glad to see these women training and fighting back. I hope the observers testified it was self defense, and the manism culture does not extend to the court system. I do know a woman Lutheran pastor here who was from India. Her father is the head of the Missouri Synod in India. Ironically, he does not believe in ordaining women pastors, except his two daughters. I guess that is a different sort of manism? Or maybe just a proud father, who does not see that other women could be exceptional, like his daughters are. I learned so much from that chaplain!
I will say that in Canada, we do not have the problem of men coming after women on the street. Sadly, Rachel, the only time I was ever touched by a man he was from India, and he grabbed my bottom at a red street light while I was innocently walking in a full length skirt, and fully covered. I did not take it, I screamed, yelled and pushed him away and told him he was sexually molesting a pregnant woman! A bunch of men did not take what he did lightly, either, and went after him. I hope he never touched another woman again.
In Canada, though, abuse is quite regular in the home. The opening shots of the video remind me of a lot of men I know. Fortunately, not all! And I did get she was making him tea! Chai was my clue. LOL
I would love to say, well, this is what Hinduism does to people. It makes them think that certain people, be it by caste or gender, are better than others. Men, obviously tend to think that women are barely people in India, and treat them accordingly. However, when certain elements in the Christian church start to want to define people by roles, and then say that is God's intention for those created in His image, then I have to discuss vehemently that roles are not Biblical, but a result of the Fall. How can these Indian men ever change, if even when Christ is introduced into their lives, they are told that women should be getting the tea before work, and never mind that they are created in the image of God, to serve God, not to be a slave to a husband.
I am not criticizing anyone in this forum. I do think the video is worth watching. I know when I lived in the Bay area of California in the early '60's, my father said it was too dangerous for a woman to walk the streets alone. I would imagine that 50 years later, it is a lot worse. I can only pray that the attitudes of manism do not invade our Canadian culture. And most of the Christian men are very understanding that God calls men and women to work for him. One of my friends on FB was a missionary to South Korea for many years. Her husband has encouraged her to continue to learn and grow, and minister to other Christians. She just wrote her comprehensives for her Ph.D. I helped pray for her, that she would do a good job. She writes Bible studies that are deductive and they are so well done on different books of the Bible, although she is supposedly retired, working for the Lord never ends!
As for working with torches, I was a jeweler for 7 years. I only worked with acetylene, and never with the other various kinds of welders. But a women should definitely be allowed to do that kind of work, if she is capable. A friend of mine's husband works as a supervisor on oil and gas lines, and he has women welders all the time. And the government here actually will help a woman train as a welder, or any other trade. We have a terrible trade shortage in Alberta, because we have so much oil and gas. So employers are always delighted to hire anyone who is trained to do the job.
Thanks for adding the video. It helped me understand a lot about your culture. I know I have seen another video on Indian women learning to fight, and ganging up on men who beat on their wives, because the authorities will not do a thing. It strikes me as fighting violence with violence, but desperate times call for desperate means!
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