David Icke: ISIS is set up to create WWIII

[Jackson123]

Tom Collins is an alcoholic beverage; I thought you might have a double-meaning joke in your screen name; but I guess you lack my sense of humor.

BTW, I am working on my 4th time through the Quran, and I don't find it particularly nice towards infidels.

I speak not of rights, but what other choice is there but Assad?

In your research about Quran you found out they not nice to infidel, but catholic believe Islam and Catholic share the same God.

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16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.

 

[Jackson123]

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SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

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16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.



Let go deeper on this teaching.

Let analyse this section.

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.

1. Catholic believe and teach, that muslim is one of the religion that bring salvation.
2. Muslim worship Allah.
3. Mean Catholic believe Abraham worship Allah as well. Or eat least catholic believe Yahweh is Allah. Then why Quran teaching not inline with Bible.
4. when It come to salvation, we don't need to evangelize muslim, they are in the plan of salvation.

For sure this catholic teaching is not inline with the bible teaching.

 

[ThomistColin]

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SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

Chapter II/16

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.



Let go deeper on this teaching.

Let analyse this section.

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.

1. Catholic believe and teach, that muslim is one of the religion that bring salvation.
2. Muslim worship Allah.
3. Mean Catholic believe Abraham worship Allah as well. Or eat least catholic believe Yahweh is Allah. Then why Quran teaching not inline with Bible.
4. when It come to salvation, we don't need to evangelize muslim, they are in the plan of salvation.

For sure this catholic teaching is not inline with the bible teaching.

Actually, we don't believe Muslims are going to heaven. The plan of salvation is through Christ alone, however Paul VI was pointing out that both Jews and Muslims are included in that plan of salvation, meaning they are to be evangelized, especially since they are of an Abrahamic faith. As for we worship the same God, I actually agree, though I believe both Jews and Muslims are false in their understanding of God. Through that falsehood, they, like all others, are worshipping Satan, but the God of the Universe that they acknowledge is the same God that we do, however, without the fullness of Jesus Christ, they can never worship God correctly.

 

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[h=3]Psalm 2[/h][SUP]1 [/SUP]Why do the nations conspire[SUP][a][/SUP]
and the peoples plot in vain?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

[SUP]4 [/SUP]The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.

 

[Jackson123]

Actually, we don't believe Muslims are going to heaven. The plan of salvation is through Christ alone, however Paul VI was pointing out that both Jews and Muslims are included in that plan of salvation, meaning they are to be evangelized, especially since they are of an Abrahamic faith. As for we worship the same God, I actually agree, though I believe both Jews and Muslims are false in their understanding of God. Through that falsehood, they, like all others, are worshipping Satan, but the God of the Universe that they acknowledge is the same God that we do, however, without the fullness of Jesus Christ, they can never worship God correctly.

Every body, Hindu, atheist, Muslim etc is to be evangelized.

Why specify Muslim and Jew?

I think your interpretation is wrong brother.

They mean like what they said.

 

[Jackson123]

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.


If that sentence mean Muslim and Jew must be evangelize,

Why don't just say so.

Is the statement: Muslim and Jew include in the plan of salvation mean that Muslim and Jew need to be evangelized?

The fact is bible said to preach/evangelize all people in the world regardless Muslim, Jew, Hindu etc

It said Muslim adore the same God with us(catholic) Mean Allah is God?

We can argue otherwise, but the statement said Muslim and us/catholic adore the same God.

 

[Jackson123]

What this mean in the Muslim world?

Iraq Television interpret Pope respect to Quran /quran teaching.

I agree with this interpretation.
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JPII kisses the Koran
May 14, 1999 - John Paul II kisses the Koran (Qu'ran) at the Vatican.
To the objectors who claim that this book was not the Koran, we present an excerpt from an interview with FIDES News Service (June 1, 1999). In it, Chaldean Catholic Patriarch Raphael I affirmed that he was present when John Paul II kissed the Muslim "holy" book:

"On May 14th I was received by the Pope, together with a delegation composed of the Shi'ite imam of Khadum mosque and the Sunni president of the council of administration of the Iraqi Islamic Bank. There was also a representative of the Iraqi ministry of religion. ....

"At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book, the Qu'ran, presented to him by the delegation, and he kissed it as a sign of respect. The photo of that gesture has been shown repeatedly on Iraqi television and it demonstrates that the Pope is not only aware of the suffering of the Iraqi people, he has also great respect for Islam."
For the full text of the interview, click here.

Posted June 21, 2004​

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[sealabeag]

David Icke, as in the guy who thinks all world leaders are reptilian aliens? So you take this guy's opinion seriously?

 

[Jackson123]

David Icke, as in the guy who thinks all world leaders are reptilian aliens? So you take this guy's opinion seriously?

The information he has need to be post to convince the non believer how accurate the bible is.

The bible foretold, there will be one world government in the last day.

David, a secular and famous ex journalist, secular people trust him.

For secular people which doesn't believe the bible and believe the information from David, may amazed why the bible said 2000 years earlier.

And I hope they are consider to read the bible after see this fact.

I don't believe about reptilian aliens and I don't believe there is Alien terrestrial either.

Catholic did

exopolitics.org/pope-francis-to-announce-extraterrestrial-savior-accordin.
Dr Gabriel Funes, stunned the world in May 2008 when he revealed that it is acceptable for Catholics to openly contemplate extraterrestrial life. In an interview he said:

Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can’t put limits on God’s creative freedom… “Why can’t we speak of a ‘brother extraterrestrial’? It would still be part of creation…​

Both Funes and Consolmagno are scientific advisors to the Pope and advise him on all matters concerning astronomy – which includes the likelihood of a future discovery of extraterrestrial life. It’s inconceivable that both Funes and Consolmagno would have been able to make public their beliefs about extraterrestrial life without the approval of the previous Pope, Benedict XVI. It is highly likely that the Vatican astronomers will continue to be given permission to make statements about extraterrestrial life and its theological implications. So is it pure science driving these statements from Vatican astronomers or something else?

 

[prodigal]

hehe.......

 

[Jackson123]

Vatican: It's OK for Catholics to Believe in Aliens

Published May 13, 2008FoxNews.com


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VATICAN CITY – There could be alien life forms and believing they exist isn't contradictory to having faith in God, the top astronomer at the Vatican said in an interview published Tuesday.
In the Vatican newspaper piece, titled "The Extraterrestrial Is My Brother," the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes said the expansiveness of the universe means there could be life on planets other than Earth.
"In my opinion this possibility exists," Funes, the director of the Vatican Observatory, told L'Osservatore Romano. "Astronomers believe the universe is made up of 100 billion galaxies, each of which consists of 100 billion stars. ... Life forms could exist in theory even without oxygen or hydrogen."
Funes said that there might even be other intelligent life out there, but believing in its existence doesn't pose a problem for those of the Catholic faith.
"It is possible. So far we have no proof. But certainly in a universe so big we can not exclude this hypothesis," he told the paper.
"As there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, so there may be other beings, intelligent, created by God. This does not conflict with our faith, because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God."
He said human beings could even consider another life form an "extraterrestrial brother" because it, too, would be one of God's creatures.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation."
The interview covered a variety of topics, including the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science, and the theological implications of the existence of alien life.
Funes said science, especially astronomy, does not contradict religion, touching on a theme of Pope Benedict XVI, who has made exploring the relationship between faith and reason a key aspect of his papacy.
The Bible "is not a science book," Funes said, adding that he believes the Big Bang theory is the most "reasonable" explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter.
But he said he continues to believe that "God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the result of chance."
Funes urged the church and the scientific community to leave behind divisions caused by Galileo's persecution 400 years ago, saying the incident has "caused wounds."
In 1633 the astronomer was tried as a heretic and forced to recant his theory that the Earth revolved around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.
"The church has somehow recognized its mistakes," he said. "Maybe it could have done it better, but now it's time to heal those wounds and this can be done through calm dialogue and collaboration."
Pope John Paul declared in 1992 that the ruling against Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."
The Vatican Observatory has been at the forefront of efforts to bridge the gap between religion and science. Its scientist-clerics have generated top-notch research and its meteorite collection is considered one of the world's best.
The observatory, founded by Pope Leo XIII in 1891, is based in Castel Gandolfo, a lakeside town in the hills outside Rome where the pope has a summer residence. It also conducts research at an observatory at the University of Arizona, in Tucson.
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The Associated Press contributed to this report.



I believe Extraterrestrial is demon

 

[ThomistColin]

Vatican: It's OK for Catholics to Believe in Aliens

Published May 13, 2008FoxNews.com


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VATICAN CITY – There could be alien life forms and believing they exist isn't contradictory to having faith in God, the top astronomer at the Vatican said in an interview published Tuesday.
In the Vatican newspaper piece, titled "The Extraterrestrial Is My Brother," the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes said the expansiveness of the universe means there could be life on planets other than Earth.
"In my opinion this possibility exists," Funes, the director of the Vatican Observatory, told L'Osservatore Romano. "Astronomers believe the universe is made up of 100 billion galaxies, each of which consists of 100 billion stars. ... Life forms could exist in theory even without oxygen or hydrogen."
Funes said that there might even be other intelligent life out there, but believing in its existence doesn't pose a problem for those of the Catholic faith.
"It is possible. So far we have no proof. But certainly in a universe so big we can not exclude this hypothesis," he told the paper.
"As there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, so there may be other beings, intelligent, created by God. This does not conflict with our faith, because we cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God."
He said human beings could even consider another life form an "extraterrestrial brother" because it, too, would be one of God's creatures.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation."
The interview covered a variety of topics, including the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science, and the theological implications of the existence of alien life.
Funes said science, especially astronomy, does not contradict religion, touching on a theme of Pope Benedict XVI, who has made exploring the relationship between faith and reason a key aspect of his papacy.
The Bible "is not a science book," Funes said, adding that he believes the Big Bang theory is the most "reasonable" explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter.
But he said he continues to believe that "God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the result of chance."
Funes urged the church and the scientific community to leave behind divisions caused by Galileo's persecution 400 years ago, saying the incident has "caused wounds."
In 1633 the astronomer was tried as a heretic and forced to recant his theory that the Earth revolved around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.
"The church has somehow recognized its mistakes," he said. "Maybe it could have done it better, but now it's time to heal those wounds and this can be done through calm dialogue and collaboration."
Pope John Paul declared in 1992 that the ruling against Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."
The Vatican Observatory has been at the forefront of efforts to bridge the gap between religion and science. Its scientist-clerics have generated top-notch research and its meteorite collection is considered one of the world's best.
The observatory, founded by Pope Leo XIII in 1891, is based in Castel Gandolfo, a lakeside town in the hills outside Rome where the pope has a summer residence. It also conducts research at an observatory at the University of Arizona, in Tucson.
• Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Space Center.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.



I believe Extraterrestrial is demon

I just read this whole article. I don't disagree with what the man puts forward. Its almost exactly CS Lewis's response when he was asked if aliens made contact would that affect his faith. Lewis said no, because that would mean that God had created many, and that God is stilll in control.

 

[Stephen63]

Has anyone noticed what the catholics & freemasons have in common? They both have one set of rules from which there's two sets of meanings: The public meaning to fool the public & lower members of their groups, & the secret meaning only the "upper" levels know.

 

[Jackson123]

Has anyone noticed what the catholics & freemasons have in common? They both have one set of rules from which there's two sets of meanings: The public meaning to fool the public & lower members of their groups, & the secret meaning only the "upper" levels know.

Yes that is what professor Walter J Veith said

 

[Jackson123]

[h=1]In this statement, Vatican believe there is possibility that the bible we have now need to be change after we receive new teaching from Extra terrestrial and confirm by vatican.

Seem to me Vatican give a message that the bible may wrong.

Vatican Disclosure[/h]Jan 29, 2013Comments Offby T2B
Why does the Vatican have an advanced telescope in Arizona with top security clearance? Why is the telescope called Lucifer?
Christians will not immediately need to renounce their faith in God “simply on the basis of the reception of [this] new, unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations.” However, once the “religious content” originating from outside the earth “has been verified” they will have to conduct “a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data…”
– Vatican Astronomer, Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti
Oh man…. we’re getting close to ‘THE’ lie of all time
Tom Horn’s latest book unveils the Vatican’s belief that they are anticipating the arrival of an alien god. Top astronomers say 2013 is the year of disclosure. But, is the Catholic church buying into (or even part of) the deception?

 

[ThomistColin]

In this statement, Vatican believe there is possibility that the bible we have now need to be change after we receive new teaching from Extra terrestrial and confirm by vatican.

Seem to me Vatican give a message that the bible may wrong.

Vatican Disclosure

Jan 29, 2013Comments Offby T2B
Why does the Vatican have an advanced telescope in Arizona with top security clearance? Why is the telescope called Lucifer?
Christians will not immediately need to renounce their faith in God “simply on the basis of the reception of [this] new, unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations.” However, once the “religious content” originating from outside the earth “has been verified” they will have to conduct “a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data…”
– Vatican Astronomer, Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti
Oh man…. we’re getting close to ‘THE’ lie of all time
Tom Horn’s latest book unveils the Vatican’s belief that they are anticipating the arrival of an alien god. Top astronomers say 2013 is the year of disclosure. But, is the Catholic church buying into (or even part of) the deception?

You're quoting someone in the Commentary of a website as fact?

 

[Jackson123]

You're quoting someone in the Commentary of a website as fact?

Yes form Vatican Astronomer, Father Giuseppe


– Vatican Astronomer, Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti

 

[ThomistColin]

Yes form Vatican Astronomer, Father Giuseppe


– Vatican Astronomer, Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti

It's additive quotation. Look at the quotes opening and closed, those are his words, not the rest. Father Giuseppe was answering a question as to how the Church would react if a "Christ-like figure appeared in alien religious content." His point was that it must be verified and then test it against Scripture as to whether Christ came to another species. Again, you espouse this as something wrong, but when CS Lewis posited that any alien species comparable to ours would either have "never ate the apple" or "were in a similar if not same covenant with us" it was held as a logical response of Christianity to the unlikely encounter with an extraterrestrial.

 

[Jackson123]

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They quote from Father Malachi Martin, another Jesuit, who cryptically revealed something that was being tracked by Vatican astronomers that had great significance. In a 1997 interview on the popular radio program Coast to Coast AM, Martin said:​

Because the mentality… amongst those who [are] at the… highest levels of Vatican administration and geopolitics, know… what’s going on in space, and what’s approaching us, could be of great import in the next five years, ten years.​

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On the question of what precisely is being tracked, Putnam and Horn claim that,​

“people familiar with Malachi believe he may have been referring to a near-future arrival of alien intelligence.”​

The aliens will be carrying with them a message that transforms Christianity from an earth-centric faith system into a new galactic faith that welcomes extraterrestrials as our “spiritual brothers”. Who will be the "savior" that emerges from the incoming extraterrestrial object secretly monitored by astronomers that, if Putnam and Horn are correct, the Vatican is preparing to soon announce in an “Urbi et Orbi” speech to the world?​

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Another quotation from Father Malachi

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican108.htm

 

[ThomistColin]

That's editing a quotation. See all the ... there. That means words are omitted. Basic political science. Then, you move to what those who believe in the conspiracy claim as if claiming something is evidence of truth.