Death or Not Death

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Issachar92 said:
Nice philosophy, the only problem is that the bible does not support the idea that human souls are immortal, its absolute hogwash and its a sad state of affairs when our theology lines up more with modern day muslims than Jews who have NEVER believed in the immortal soul, the same Jews who gave us the scriptures to begin with, take a look at the history of this doctrine and where it originated from.
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Maybe you should learn to read as well....I don't see the word soul found anywhere in the post you quoted....and to be frank...I started studying this when you were not even an egg in your mother's fallopian tube....so...Your rude, mouthy, stupid remark was uncalled for pal....and like most rebellious youth today...zero respect for those twice your age....

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 
dcontroversal said:
Maybe you should learn to read as well....I don't see the word soul found anywhere in the post you quoted....and to be frank...I started studying this when you were not even an egg in your mother's fallopian tube....so...Your rude, mouthy, stupid remark was uncalled for pal....and like most rebellious youth today...zero respect for those twice your age....

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
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Ah yes, the "i have no bible verses to prove immortal soul so let me pull out the age card and go for personal attacks" argument.
I said nothing to attack your personal character or disrespect you personally, but if you wanna go there, appeareantly behind your military ego is a sensitive man who is afraid of differing opinions on an internet forum, good stuff, very touchy hahaha

To be studying a topic for that long and still absolute FAIL to provide any evidence really makes me question your methods of study.

You are dismissed general, in order to get respect, you gotta show some, welcome to the real world (being 50 one would think you would have already learned this rule)
 
dcontroversal said:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
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Amen. This has already been addressed :)

The word “spirit” in the Bible, in both the Hebrew and the Greek,
can also translate as “breath” or “wind” (pneuma). Jesus, speaking
of the Holy Spirit effects, compares it to wind. We need air to live.

When Adam was created, God created his body from the elements from the ground. We know today that this is indeed correct: the human body is made up of various elements, 99% of which is oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. But elements are not enough. You can have the exact conditions for life, the exact elements, in the right amounts, but you still won’t have life.

John 14:6 says that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. In John 11:25 Jesus says that He is the resurrection and the life. Life comes from God, not from mixing the right elements together only. When you combine the proper elements with God’s breath, His spirit, a living soul is formed.

Perhaps this illustration will be helpful. Imagine the human body created by God to be a light bulb. The bulb has all the right parts for it to work, but it doesn’t work yet. The electricity, the spirit, needs to be added. As soon as this electricity is added, the bulb glows with light. In the same way, body plus spirit = life. If you take the spirit away, what happens to the light? It is gone. It doesn’t go anywhere. The spirit is not the person, it is the life spark of God. The person exists only when the spirit and the body are combined.

Ecc. 12:7 says, “Our bodies will return to the dust of the earth, and the breath of life will go back to God, who gave it to us.” When God receives His spirit back, our bodies return to the dust of the earth. This is indeed the case, for when life is gone from the body, it decomposes back into the ground. The spirit that returns to God at death is the breath of life. Nowhere in all of God's book does the "spirit" have any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the "breath of life" and nothing more.

"The body without the spirit ["breath,"] is dead." James 2:26.

"The spirit of God ["the breath which God gave him,"] is in my nostrils." Job 27:3.

http://www.truthaboutdeath.com/q-and-a/id/1843/what-is-the-spirit-that-returns-to-god-at-death
 
Issachar92 said:
Ah yes, the "i have no bible verses to prove immortal soul so let me pull out the age card and go for personal attacks" argument.
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Scripture explicitly states that man is mortal and also explicitly states that only God is immortal. We of faith put on immortality through Christ's sacrifice on the cross, where He paid the ultimate price for sin, became sin for us, that we might have a life more abundant. Otherwise, as per Scripture, we know that those whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life pass into the second death. By the way, it has been a pleasure to meet you! Welcome to CC :)
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Issachar92 said:
Ah yes, the "i have no bible verses to prove immortal soul so let me pull out the age card and go for personal attacks" argument.
I said nothing to attack your personal character or disrespect you personally, but if you wanna go there, appeareantly behind your military ego is a sensitive man who is afraid of differing opinions on an internet forum, good stuff, very touchy hahaha

To be studying a topic for that long and still absolute FAIL to provide any evidence really makes me question your methods of study.

You are dismissed general, in order to get respect, you gotta show some, welcome to the real world (being 50 one would think you would have already learned this rule)
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Like my friends in AU say..whatevzzz....and my statement stands....I said nothing of the soul....and the view I set forth on death is solid....now....go study a while, you might learn something....!

Particular Proverbs 6.....you were less than honest in this post....! Bolded above and your quote below!

Nice philosophy, the only problem is that the bible does not support the idea that human souls are immortal, its absolute hogwash and its a sad state of affairs when our theology lines up more with modern day muslims than Jews
 
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The human spirit is immortal. This is clearly seen and evident in many Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments: Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2 says, “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.” Similarly, Jesus said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). it is the same Greek word used to refer to both “punishment” and “life,” it is clear that both the wicked and the righteous have an eternal/immortal spirit.


Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Look up the rules in Greek grammar concerning the definite article and what it implies!
 
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The scriptures are not that clear on how the "soul/personality" survives death. But to claim the soul is immortal seems to be at odds with the following scriptures:

1 Tim 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1 Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
 
Locutus said:
The scriptures are not that clear on how the "soul/personality" survives death. But to claim the soul is immortal seems to be at odds with the following scriptures:

1 Tim 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1 Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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EVERYTHING GOD does is eternal....Ecclesiastes 3:14 GOD gives each man a particular spirit...and even speaks to KNOWING JEREMIAH (in a forensic sense) before he came forth from his mothers womb.......
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Look up the rules in Greek grammar concerning the definite article and what it implies!

Whatsoever God does is everlasting<----this includes giving man life
 
"the only problem is that the bible does not support the idea that human souls are immortal"

I agree with this.
 
Locutus said:
"the only problem is that the bible does not support the idea that human souls are immortal"

I agree with this.
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Is it biblical to deduce facts from previously know truth? YES or NO

I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

What does the bolded mean?
 
Locutus said:
So are you saying the soul is immortal?
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Is it biblical to deduce facts from previously know truth? YES or NO

I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

What does the bolded mean?
 
Of course we can get biblical truths from earlier scriptures, but whether you have established your interpretation as true is open to debate/discussion.

So are you saying the soul is immortal?
 
Locutus said:
Of course we can get biblical truths from earlier scriptures, but whether you have established your interpretation as true is open to debate/discussion.

So are you saying the soul is immortal?
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ANSWER THE FOLLOWING PLEASE

I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

What does the bolded mean?

In particular WHATSOEVER means?
 
"I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever"

And your point is??

"What does the bolded mean?"

What do you think it means?
 
Magenta said:
Amen. This has already been addressed :)

The word “spirit” in the Bible, in both the Hebrew and the Greek,
can also translate as “breath” or “wind” (pneuma). Jesus, speaking
of the Holy Spirit effects, compares it to wind. We need air to live.

When Adam was created, God created his body from the elements from the ground. We know today that this is indeed correct: the human body is made up of various elements, 99% of which is oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. But elements are not enough. You can have the exact conditions for life, the exact elements, in the right amounts, but you still won’t have life.

John 14:6 says that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. In John 11:25 Jesus says that He is the resurrection and the life. Life comes from God, not from mixing the right elements together only. When you combine the proper elements with God’s breath, His spirit, a living soul is formed.

Perhaps this illustration will be helpful. Imagine the human body created by God to be a light bulb. The bulb has all the right parts for it to work, but it doesn’t work yet. The electricity, the spirit, needs to be added. As soon as this electricity is added, the bulb glows with light. In the same way, body plus spirit = life. If you take the spirit away, what happens to the light? It is gone. It doesn’t go anywhere. The spirit is not the person, it is the life spark of God. The person exists only when the spirit and the body are combined.

Ecc. 12:7 says, “Our bodies will return to the dust of the earth, and the breath of life will go back to God, who gave it to us.” When God receives His spirit back, our bodies return to the dust of the earth. This is indeed the case, for when life is gone from the body, it decomposes back into the ground. The spirit that returns to God at death is the breath of life. Nowhere in all of God's book does the "spirit" have any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the "breath of life" and nothing more.

"The body without the spirit ["breath,"] is dead." James 2:26.

"The spirit of God ["the breath which God gave him,"] is in my nostrils." Job 27:3.

http://www.truthaboutdeath.com/q-and-a/id/1843/what-is-the-spirit-that-returns-to-god-at-death
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Magenta, are you SDA?
 
Not jumping around, you took a "verse" out of context and then demand what I think it means:

Eccl 3:10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

Eccl 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

Eccl 3:12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

Eccl 3:13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

Eccl 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

Eccl 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

Eccl 3:16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.


You are trying to use this for what purpose? The thread has been discussing death/soul/immortality.

Eccl 3:14 is related to the discussion how?
 
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