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then we have an issue. because Jesus said:
Matthew 5:44
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
how can we love our parents, our spouses and children any less than this? if we did, it would be a sin.
Yet jesus, using the same word you are discussing makes this statement;
Luke 14:26
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
so did Jesus contradict himself? is he really telling us to "hate" our own families? or telling us to "love less" our familes, (Love God more)?
as for the verses. I will have to look them up when I get home where I have the origional text.
as for the people in hell, and others.
Lets take your child as an example, or a close friend whom you "love"
If they break the law, are not bound to make them pay the "penalty" for breaking the law? Does it mean you do not love them if you enforce the rule of law on them?
God made the law. The law says, if you sin, the penalty is "death"
what is death? Separation. Sin separates us from God.
does it mean God does not "love" those whom he enforces his laws and his judgment? Is it Gods fault they are in "hell (eternal separation or death)? Does he literally "hate" them? Would you literally "Hate your children if they were judged as guilty and condemned?
The facts are;
1. Gods love can not over rule his justice.
2. Gods justice demands a penatly for sin (death)
3. God's love can not over rule his justice and give people a "get out of jail free card" Even if Gods love was so great he realy wanted to. If he did, he would not be God.
4. Gods love, however, provided a way to "save" those whom he loved, and still satisfy his justice (he died for them)
5. God doe snot just "give" this love to everyone, for this would again make his love overrule his justice.
6. He thus offers it to all men. But men have to 'recieve" this gift to make it apply to them.
7. If they recieve it (freely) Gods justice is satisfied. they are "made alive) fellowship is restored. and this fellowship is eternal in nature (eternal life)
8. if they reject this gift. Gods justice still stands (they remain dead in sin) and suffer the second death (hell) which is eternal. However, it does not mean God did not love them.
Jesus, when he entered jerusalem, said he wanted to make Isreal his children, he loved them, but his truth was far from their rebelious hearts. Israel was evil, they had him crucified. Yet Jesus and God loved them. even though he poured out his wrath on them in 70 AD.
Matthew 5:44
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
how can we love our parents, our spouses and children any less than this? if we did, it would be a sin.
Yet jesus, using the same word you are discussing makes this statement;
Luke 14:26
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
so did Jesus contradict himself? is he really telling us to "hate" our own families? or telling us to "love less" our familes, (Love God more)?
as for the verses. I will have to look them up when I get home where I have the origional text.
as for the people in hell, and others.
Lets take your child as an example, or a close friend whom you "love"
If they break the law, are not bound to make them pay the "penalty" for breaking the law? Does it mean you do not love them if you enforce the rule of law on them?
God made the law. The law says, if you sin, the penalty is "death"
what is death? Separation. Sin separates us from God.
does it mean God does not "love" those whom he enforces his laws and his judgment? Is it Gods fault they are in "hell (eternal separation or death)? Does he literally "hate" them? Would you literally "Hate your children if they were judged as guilty and condemned?
The facts are;
1. Gods love can not over rule his justice.
2. Gods justice demands a penatly for sin (death)
3. God's love can not over rule his justice and give people a "get out of jail free card" Even if Gods love was so great he realy wanted to. If he did, he would not be God.
4. Gods love, however, provided a way to "save" those whom he loved, and still satisfy his justice (he died for them)
5. God doe snot just "give" this love to everyone, for this would again make his love overrule his justice.
6. He thus offers it to all men. But men have to 'recieve" this gift to make it apply to them.
7. If they recieve it (freely) Gods justice is satisfied. they are "made alive) fellowship is restored. and this fellowship is eternal in nature (eternal life)
8. if they reject this gift. Gods justice still stands (they remain dead in sin) and suffer the second death (hell) which is eternal. However, it does not mean God did not love them.
Jesus, when he entered jerusalem, said he wanted to make Isreal his children, he loved them, but his truth was far from their rebelious hearts. Israel was evil, they had him crucified. Yet Jesus and God loved them. even though he poured out his wrath on them in 70 AD.
