deep thoughtss you struggle with

[jos]

post deep thoughts you are struggeling with.
it may be a certain quote too.
i'll start:

 

[Witness45]

God is all powerful, but he can't do anything that is logically impossible or contradictory, such as create a square circle, or a stone too heavy for him to lift. Logically impossible, so no.

 

[JustAnotherUser]

 

[faroukfarouk]

It's good for one's thinking to be informed Biblically. This is why regular, prayerful Bible reading is so important.

 

[jos]

i like this one.

 

[jos]

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God is all powerful, but he can't do anything that is logically impossible or contradictory, such as create a square circle, or a stone too heavy for him to lift. Logically impossible, so no.

it might not be logical for us humans, but god isn't human, so why would he be or think logical?
logical thinking for higher intelligence. but we don't know how it is for somewone even more intelligent.
and being truelly almighty is being able to do everything, even things that doesn't seem to be logical, because that's the definition of being almighty. maybe then we can conclude that god is very powerfull, but not almighty. walking on water or turning water into wine also isn't logical, is it?

 

[Witness45]

it might not be logical for us humans, but god isn't human, so why would he be or think logical?
logical thinking for higher intelligence. but we don't know how it is for somewone even more intelligent.
and being truelly almighty is being able to do everything, even things that doesn't seem to be logical, because that's the definition of being almighty. maybe then we can conclude that god is very powerfull, but not almighty. walking on water or turning water into wine also isn't logical, is it?

Higher intelligence doesn't decrease logic, it increases it, doofus... -_-' Just because he does things that seem to us to be illogical, doesn't mean they are. It just means we're illogical and can't comprehend the logic behind it.

Besides, where do you think we gained our since of logic anyway? God. Why? Cause God is logical. I mean I shouldn't have to prove this, it's self evident, really...

 

[jos]

Higher intelligence doesn't decrease logic, it increases it, doofus... -_-' Just because he does things that seem to us to be illogical, doesn't mean they are. It just means we're illogical and can't comprehend the logic behind it.

Besides, where do you think we gained our since of logic anyway? God. Why? Cause God is logical. I mean I shouldn't have to prove this, it's self evident, really...

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i think you understand me wrong. i did not say at all intelligence decreases logic. as far as we know, intelligence causes more intelligence. but we don't understand god, so how can we know he is more logical? maybe there is something even better than logic, who knows? and it might be obvious for you, because you think that's the truth. but there are so many people who think different (and i'm not reffering to atheists) that you can't just take that as the obvious truth. personally i think we have logic because of evolution. so you see? it's not so obvious and simple as you think.

Besides, who are you to tell god that he is logical?

 

[jos]

 

[Animus]

i think you understand me wrong. i did not say at all intelligence decreases logic. as far as we know, intelligence causes more intelligence. but we don't understand god, so how can we know he is more logical? maybe there is something even better than logic, who knows? and it might be obvious for you, because you think that's the truth. but there are so many people who think different (and i'm not reffering to atheists) that you can't just take that as the obvious truth. personally i think we have logic because of evolution. so you see? it's not so obvious and simple as you think.

Besides, who are you to tell god that he is logical?

I think you misunderstand what logic is. There is nothing illogical about chickens growing from trees or hens laying golden toads instead of eggs. Just as easily as you can imagine these things, God can make them happen. But a triangle, by definition, is a shape characterized by 3 vertices with two lines coming from each vertex. That's the end of the story, there is no mystery about it, no variables or tricks that might be hidden beneath a bigger telescope. If you say that God can make a square a triangle, all you are really saying is that he can make the definition of a triangle more ambiguous. God can create any noun, and perform any action, but he cannot perform nouns and create actions; this would be pure nonsense. The sentence, "God can create a running" does correlate to anything in reality, it's just an improper sentence. Running is a verb, not a noun, which means it cannot exist as a physical object in the same way that an apple or a chicken can. But sometimes we make sentence like this and we think they look normal, but they are just as much nonsense. God can do anything means that God can perform any action. Creating a rock he cannot lift is not an action because no such rock logically exists by definition.

Suppose I say, "Imagine a rock larger than the largest imaginable rock." You can no doubt imagine a rock, but it's not larger than the largest imaginable rock; this is impossible by definition. The largest imaginable rock is defined as the rock that is such that a larger rock cannot be imagined. And the truth of the matter is that the fictitious object known as "the largest imaginable rock" is just as much of a nonsense object. A larger rock can always be imagined, which means that if you asked God to create the largest imaginable rock, you would be asking him to create something that doesn't even exist as a noun in thought, which is the same as telling him to create a "running".

 

[Witness45]

i think you understand me wrong. i did not say at all intelligence decreases logic. as far as we know, intelligence causes more intelligence. but we don't understand god, so how can we know he is more logical? maybe there is something even better than logic, who knows? and it might be obvious for you, because you think that's the truth. but there are so many people who think different (and i'm not reffering to atheists) that you can't just take that as the obvious truth. personally i think we have logic because of evolution. so you see? it's not so obvious and simple as you think.

Besides, who are you to tell god that he is logical?

http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/inde...mages/stash-3-4fb423de9b5cb.gif&size=400x1000

Am I seriously going to have to go into the evolution debate with you?... Look, Darwinian evolution is false, and I really don't feel like explaining that to you. I've had a large enough dose of stupidity for today. Just look it up...

Besides, what does evolution have to do with logic? Evolution is a material process, logic is immaterial. And if Logic evolves we don't true have logic now do we? That's like saying mathematics evolves, it's ridiculous! If you mean that our understanding of logic evolves, once again Darwinian evolution isn't true, and if you believe the Bible then you'd note that Solomon was the wisest man who ever lived. You can't have wisdom without logic. Therefore the most logical man who ever lived, lived thousands of years ago. So much for evolving understanding of logic.

Lastly, I'm not the one saying God is logical, he is. He created a logical universe, wrote a logical book called the Bible, placed a logical moral law on my conscience, and gave me a logical mind to comprehend all that. To say God isn't logical is to say that God is illogical which is to say he isn't wise, which is rather blasphemous in my opinion. And finally, in order for you to deny the existence of logic you'd have to use logic, thereby affirming it's existence.

There's really no way out for you my friend.

 

[ronnie2796]

Lol Is it bad that I'm glad that I can sit back and watch other people explain these things for me?

 

[ronnie2796]

http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/inde...mages/stash-3-4fb423de9b5cb.gif&size=400x1000

So,...I totally skipped over this link,...and then I decided I should click on it. My curiosity wouldn't let me leave it alone.
I'm so glad I opened this. Lol

 

[jos]

Lol Is it bad that I'm glad that I can sit back and watch other people explain these things for me?

yes, that is bad. you now did an unforgivable sin. you are officially a bad person
i guess you agree with those other guys then
no problem, everybody can have other thoughts about things.

 

[ronnie2796]

yes, that is bad. you now did an unforgivable sin. you are officially a bad person
i guess you agree with those other guys then
no problem, everybody can have other thoughts about things.

Lol don't get them started on unforgivable sins, you're just looking for trouble!
Haha and yeah I agree with them from what I can see.
They're smart dudes, they know what they're talking about. Don't just blow off what they say, okay?

 

[jos]

I think you misunderstand what logic is. There is nothing illogical about chickens growing from trees or hens laying golden toads instead of eggs. Just as easily as you can imagine these things, God can make them happen. But a triangle, by definition, is a shape characterized by 3 vertices with two lines coming from each vertex. That's the end of the story, there is no mystery about it, no variables or tricks that might be hidden beneath a bigger telescope. If you say that God can make a square a triangle, all you are really saying is that he can make the definition of a triangle more ambiguous. God can create any noun, and perform any action, but he cannot perform nouns and create actions; this would be pure nonsense. The sentence, "God can create a running" does correlate to anything in reality, it's just an improper sentence. Running is a verb, not a noun, which means it cannot exist as a physical object in the same way that an apple or a chicken can. But sometimes we make sentence like this and we think they look normal, but they are just as much nonsense. God can do anything means that God can perform any action. Creating a rock he cannot lift is not an action because no such rock logically exists by definition.

Suppose I say, "Imagine a rock larger than the largest imaginable rock." You can no doubt imagine a rock, but it's not larger than the largest imaginable rock; this is impossible by definition. The largest imaginable rock is defined as the rock that is such that a larger rock cannot be imagined. And the truth of the matter is that the fictitious object known as "the largest imaginable rock" is just as much of a nonsense object. A larger rock can always be imagined, which means that if you asked God to create the largest imaginable rock, you would be asking him to create something that doesn't even exist as a noun in thought, which is the same as telling him to create a "running".

a larger than the largest stone is just an infinite stone. nothing stange about that. the universe, as well as god, is infinite too. if god wants to, he would just make an infinite stone. or you say he cannot? he can make an infinite universe but not an infinite stone? strange...

 

[jos]

Lol don't get them started on unforgivable sins, you're just looking for trouble!
Haha and yeah I agree with them from what I can see.
They're smart dudes, they know what they're talking about. Don't just blow off what they say, okay?

bwa, i'm going to win this battle eventually , but it takes time and the will from them to accept other views. and i have already thought much about what they say i hate it that i'm chained to speak english. it's not my best language.

 

[ronnie2796]

Dear,...if you're trying to get people to accept other views, you probably shouldn't be here. Nothing you say is going to change what we believe. Don't cause trouble. Genuine questions are okay,..causing trouble is not.

You are always welcome here if you're respectful.

 

[Man22Christ]

Sweeeeeeeeet!!! Philosophy!!!

 

[Man22Christ]

Here is a thought. How would you define the flesh according to Romans 8... Is it a person, a thing, a state of being, a mind set? what do u think?