Defense of Marriage Act: US Appeals Court

[RickyZ]

I Cor 6
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.


sorry to spoil the party guys but this is total nonsense. God really does judge you the moment you declare that your sin is not sin. In the beginning God created them male and female for the purpose of procreation. Do not be deceived. We all struggle with sin but we are to keep on struggling until we overcome. My struggle with anger or pornography is no less a struggle than InNeeds struggle with same sex attraction....but I can never say that God made me that way and nor can you. We need to repent and turn again to Christ daily taking seriously his warnings and seeking the fellowship of the saints; we need to persevere and not give up. Homosexual marriage is a playing out of Romans 1. It is the sign of a society coming under severe and terminal judgement.

You're right; Homosexuality is a sin. And everyone on that list is guilty of sin. Heck, the whole Bible is but a list of people in sin. We're mired in it, we're guilty of it, and we're ALL gonna burn. Because we ALL sin. We are ALL on God's s-list somewhere.

But God forgave me of my sin. He forgave ALL of us, no matter where we are on His list. Which means He forgave all those people on the list you pointed out.

I didn't stop being a human when I was forgiven. I struggle against the flesh and the spirit everyday and I don't always win with either. I wish I weren't flesh; I wish I didn't inhabit a world full of entities physical and otherwise whose only goal is to make me fail with God. But I do. And God knows I do. And so He knows that there are things I'm just not going to succeed at in the here and now. You know what? He still forgives me.

Should a man lay with another man? No. Can a man who lays with another man know the forgiveness of our Lord? Absolutely. Can our Lord know the heart of someone who struggles with things that they cannot change here and now? You bet. Thank God He does, for all of us.

 

[sweetspiritgirl]

Yes God does forgive sin ..but if i said im going to be single and sleep with men for the rest of my life where am i building a relationship..Bible says that sin SEPERATES US FROM THE LOVE OF CHRIST ..yes people sin daily but...guess what each time they do it they learn from it they learn to walk in the spirit and to not gratify the sins of the flesh...I once was a child on baby formula now im on solid food..for todays knowledge surpasses yesturdays..if i was to say God i love you but i love satan too...how am i going to do this ..a divided house cannot stand..And like i said Jesus did die for our sins..BUT DO WE CHOOSE TO TRAMPLE HIS BLOOD ALL OVER AGAIN...????? I love God so much i want to mimic him..not rthis word nor have my mind conformed to those who look for scripture to support their WRONG DOIND its complacency that has this world in confussion of GODS knowledge...I see churches that says yes God accepts GAYS?? Did they not read the whole bible did they pick one scripture to support their desires that displease God? My children STAY IN MY WORD INDEED...and they know his word they have it around their neck upon their heads like a crown...Yes God forgives ..but does he forgive when he knows your heart aint caring nomore cause its all about you..no he dont forgive the heart that willing and chooses to deny his truth so that we can plz ourselves becareful which you speak and teach..for you will be held accountable for it...

 

[RickyZ]

I don't think the poster's heart didn't care anymore. I sense a deep internal struggle he'll fight for his whole life. Yeah you're right, those who say screw God I'm going my own way are on their own. But I don't think such a person would be sharing his struggle here.

 

[InNeedOfHelp]

I see churches that says yes God accepts GAYS?? Did they not read the whole bible did they pick one scripture to support their desires that displease God?

Just because someone is gay does not mean they are having gay sex. There is such a thing as celibacy. Many gay Christians have chosen a life of celibacy so please do some more research before jumping to conclusions. Also many anti-gay Christians would like the gay community to believe they are doomed to Hell just for having same sex attractions. You want to talk about false teachings well how about pointing your finger at them too? Anyways another thought I had today about the whole gay marriage issue was that the anti-gay Christians would like to say that gay marriage will ruin "regular" marriages when in fact "regular" marriages are already a sham. Think of how many people get divorce daily. Many of them claim to be Christians. What about the ones who get married only to have the marriage annulled 10 days afterwards. Honestly there is already so much wrong with marriage before adding gay marriage to the equation.


I would also like to tell you sweetspiritgirl that your words really hurt me. You act like you know me telling me I spent to much time praying and not enough time building a relationship with God. Also last I checked praying is a great way to build a relationship with God. All my prayers haven't been filled with requests so He will do things in my life, but they have also consisted of thanking Him on a daily basis. Basically what I am trying to say is you have NO idea what my relationship with God is like so don't jump to conclusions. I will have you know that I read my Bible and I have read quite a bit on this subject. I would like to let you know it isn't as black and white as you would like to think. Also it hurt me when I read you said I was saying God is wrong. That is farthest from the truth. Many gay Christians believe man has screwed up in the interpretation from Hebrew and Greek.

 

[sweetspiritgirl]

First of all hun if I hurt you please forgive me..I didnt speak to bring anyone down ..but all things said was not just for you and where did i point a finger at you? Im speaking the truth ..did I say anything that isnt in his word if so please coeect me? For I am not a fool and love Gods knowledge even if its correction. But nothing ever was said about non sexual gay desires..Seems to me the subject is being changed cause truth has made u feel ashamed..But here I go NON SEXUAL DESIRES...everyone has a mind that will think of things that displeases God yet ..at the same time We can ask God to renew our mind to think of the things that r lovley and noble and pure..But to say im GAY...yet not practice in it..Then you are speaking it into existance God says in his word you can curse or bless urself with your own tongue..I nvr questioned your relationship I simply said IF YOU DO NOT KNOW GODS WORD HOW ARE YOU TO KNOW HIM COMPLETELY AND TO BUILD A REALTIONSHIP WITH HIM...as we love him cause we know he is HIS WORD..and most of this topic is for GAYS in general..if you feel like I have offended you by speaking his truth ..Then maybe you really dont love his word..because myself I embrace his word ..even if it brings change..because io want less of me and more of him...I stand as a child of God and speak of his non dying truth ..His word is a lamp unto my feet ..its good FOR REBUKING lifting up, bringing peace comfort..And Maybe you should reread your message ...IM SERVING GOD AS A GAY MAN OR MAYBE HE WANTS YOU TO BURN IN HELL... That shows me you dont even know the love of christ ..For you WERE HIS WILL AND DESIRE ...HIS HEART IS HIS CHILDREN nad yet you say ill stand to woirship him gay or burn in hell ..I rebuke that in the nbame of Jesus ..for he dosent want you to bburn in hell SATAN does...DONT GIVE God credit for such blasphemy...Gods love is never dying He sent Jesus to die on the cross for you..yet you say he wants you to burn in hell...shame on you to even speak of God as if hes a cruel Father..God is able to stand ,yet you want to say the messed up his word..says in the last days prophets will try to add to his word..God is all powerful ..do you really think if the word of God was wrong he would allow it...? God is not wrong nor his word..like I said God is wrong so man can be right..I think not..And the topic here isnt marriage its gay marriage..try to stay focoused on the topic at hand and swaying from the truth...GODS WORD STANDS!!

 

[InNeedOfHelp]

You pointed your finger at me when you said I was praying more than building a relationship with God. Your are pointing out I have little to no relationship with God. But that is not true because as I said you can't have any idea whatsoever as to what my relationship with God is like.

You know I will admit it. I don't know the extent of God's love. How could I when I keep hearing I am going to Hell? I am an abomination after all. Also it is God who decides who goes to Heaven or Hell. He is the judge not Satan so when I say He wants me to burn in Hell I don't mean he literally wants me to, but rather it was His judgement for me to be in Hell. From this you should be able to logically deduce that it is ultimately His choice. It is his decision.

So I guess you are telling me that EVERY SINGLE translation/interpretation of the Bible out there is accurate. I think not. There are many different interpretations out there. Are you 100% sure yours is the right way? As for God not letting His word get messed up I think that has happened way before gays. Look at how many different denominations there are within Christianity. Then look into each of those denominations and see how each individual church is different. Also look at how the Bible has been misused to support slavery, degrade women, and justify killing. Can you say Catholic crusades? Christianity has already screwed up so much how are you to tell me this isn't just another mistake? As for adding to the Bible I think the Mormons already accomplished that with the Book of Mormon or did you miss that?(No offense to any Mormons)

Honestly, I am done with this. I am sick and tired of Christians acting like they know what I am going through. Unless you have these feelings you will never understand my pain. In my biased opinion this is nothing compared to most other sins. I never chose to be attracted to men. Alcoholics chose to drink that first beer or whatever beverage they chose first. Smokers chose to smoke that first cigarette. Those addicted to pornography chose to take that first look. Those addicted to food chose to keep eating. Those cheating on their spouse chose to cheat. Where was my choice in all this? I never had one. It killed me everyday to have these feelings and it hurts even more to fake a smile so no one knows the suffering I have been going through. I am now going to accept the fact that these attractions are not going away and if that is God's plan then so be it. But I am tired of the tears and self-hate. I won't do it anymore. I am through. So by definition one who is attracted to members of the same sex is gay/homosexual. So by definition I am gay. Does that mean I am going to let being gay stop me from loving and worshiping God? No it does not and if anyone thinks it should then I don't care because I don't have to answer to them.

 

[sweetspiritgirl]

Never told you that you are going to hell hun ..not for me to say..and by the way i have my own sinful things in my life but i have to drop them and ask God to take them away from me continuelly ..my whole point of this is to speak Gods truth and to maybe let anyone who is unaware of his truths to know what the bible says..No you dont have to answer to anyone but God...and i dont believe in telling people that they are sinners or going to hell thats just wrong..I dont hate you nor did i ever say so...I know more about gays then you think hun ..my own mother is a lesbian..and she knows im against it..but do i treat her diffrent ..NO..love the sinner just not the sin....and if anyone has told you such things like your going to hell ..they misused Gods word..Jesus didnt come to condem but to bring life...Yes theres diffrent denominations..but thats MANMADE..And gods word may have changed a lil by words but meaning pretty much same thing..God is all powerful ..if he wants his word to be known ..no principality man nor dark thing can come against him and live..And on the morman thing..i have studied many religions hun..but again your changing the subject...No i dont know how it feels to like the same sex..but again this is where God word comes in ..understanding comes from his truth..I wished I had the answers to what your seeking here but i dont..alls I can say is his word ...

 

[JimJimmers]

Just because someone is gay does not mean they are having gay sex. There is such a thing as celibacy.

InNeed, you are right. The Bible is plain that it is NOT a sin to be tempted. I am praying for you, and hope you stay around the site a while. God bless!