Departure From Oblivion!

[just-us-2]

For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; Romans 2:12

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Romans 3:19

Looking at these verses we must consider what the law is.

Yes!

The law was given as an example of the perfection necessary to stand justified before a Holy God.

What makes you think that?

We also must remember that God knew man couldn't keep it. It wasn't given for men to keep but to reveal their sinfulness. Having the standard in front of them, they could see ,if they were honest, that they didn't measure up.

That is only part of it! And if that is all people see it is no wonder they don't want anything to do with it. It is a shame people are not taught by the preachers what the whole truth is, but they very likely don't know either (and that raises the question of their fitness for duty as a preacher, but that is for another time). On the other hand we are told to study and search the scriptures so it is not just preachers and teachers to blame.

The only hope was to have faith in the sacrifice for their sin, which would eventually lead them to the perfect sacrifice of Jesus.

The standards of God haven't changed, so yes, anyone trying to get to God by their own efforts

...will fail

must still meet those impossible standards. Sadly they will never live up to the perfection necessary without entering through the door, which is Christ.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Excuse me Just-us, I would like to insert myself here where you are speaking with shotgun, go ahead and smack me later if you need to.

So shotgun, What I think she is getting at in post #161 asking "what makes you think that?" is I think she is trying to steer you to GOD is GOD.... and he has showed us thru his law, precepts and mandates.... HOW we are to serve HIM... and that includes lessons in weightier matters regarding making distinctions about how murmmering against your parents in your mind, is NOT honoring your parents and much much more... and none of that instructive lessons has "passed away" because of the NC.

 

[shotgunner]

Excuse me Just-us, I would like to insert myself here where you are speaking with shotgun, go ahead and smack me later if you need to.

So shotgun, What I think she is getting at in post #161 asking "what makes you think that?" is I think she is trying to steer you to GOD is GOD.... and he has showed us thru his law, precepts and mandates.... HOW we are to serve HIM... and that includes lessons in weightier matters regarding making distinctions about how murmmering against your parents in your mind, is NOT honoring your parents and much much more... and none of that instructive lessons has "passed away" because of the NC.

Well, I never said that we needed to throw away the OT. I just see too many people trying to live their lives by it with no revelation at all of the NT reality.

That is likely not the case with most here on this talk forum. By nature those interested enough to go out of their way to discuss the Bible have looked at the Bible more than most who sit in a Sunday morning service. I don't want to throw away all the OT. What I do want is for us who understand the relationship to teach the NT grace through faith message first, before teaching law, only using the OT and the law to show that the NT is the fulfillment of the old.

 

[KennethC]

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life.

Romans 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[just-me]

The false precedence that causes "obliviousness" to the truth (according to the OP), is that teachings have caused us to focus on God's law instead of looking at ourselves in relation to God's words. Ephesians 2:15 is a perfect example of this. How many want to say that the law and commandments contained in ordinance have been abolished rather than the binding obligation in a legal sense, the judicial sentence or judgment, in a written record or register, that causes enmity between God and ourselves? If we focus on ourselves in light of God's word, we will see clearly what living a new life in Christ is supposed to be. Being born anew in Christ doesn't change or make void God's words. It changes us.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Well, I never said that we needed to throw away the OT. I just see too many people trying to live their lives by it with no revelation at all of the NT reality.

That is likely not the case with most here on this talk forum. By nature those interested enough to go out of their way to discuss the Bible have looked at the Bible more than most who sit in a Sunday morning service. I don't want to throw away all the OT. What I do want is for us who understand the relationship to teach the NT grace through faith message first, before teaching law, only using the OT and the law to show that the NT is the fulfillment of the old.

Yes... I think so! So while we continue with the discussion... I think there are some people who are wanting to demonstrate how some people have MISSED the "spirit of the law" in assorted areas... in hope that some Christians will take corrective measures for themselves and help others.... that's what I am thinking anyway.... not like my high hopes never been dashed but I will keep HOPING!!!!

 

[just-us-2]

Excuse me Just-us, I would like to insert myself here where you are speaking with shotgun, go ahead and smack me later if you need to.

So shotgun, What I think she is getting at in post #161 asking "what makes you think that?" is I think she is trying to steer you to GOD is GOD.... and he has showed us thru his law, precepts and mandates.... HOW we are to serve HIM... and that includes lessons in weightier matters regarding making distinctions about how murmmering against your parents in your mind, is NOT honoring your parents and much much more... and none of that instructive lessons has "passed away" because of the NC.

No smacking necessary!

 

[just-us-2]

That's fine my friend. I don't mind answering. Let me start by asking you a couple of question and then I will explain even more if you wish.

When Paul spoke those words to Timothy, considering all Paul has said elsewhere, do you think that he was telling Timothy to teach all of the law? Was Paul telling Timothy to study the law so that he could teach the law?

Secondly, if Paul was speaking of only the law to Timothy, what part of it was he to divide?

Just-me replied very adequately and I certainly could not have said it better. I will just add my two-cents-worth here. I believe Paul was exhorting Timothy to study all of Torah so he could teach responsibly ALL that God has said - and preserved for us all these centuries, I might add.
And what to "divide"? I find it extremely beneficial to consult translations other than the old standby here in the South - the KJV or the very popular NIV that messes up all kinds of stuff. The New Testament was written in Peshitta Aramaic (if anyone wants to argue this again, have the courtesy start a new thread) and to see what it says in all New Testament questions is most beneficial. When the New Testament scrolls were translated into Greek, it was a form of Greek used in legal documents and such rather than a conversational Greek so there are carelessly translated words and words there was no exact match for so a generic term was used (like for the word "Law") and that has caused much misunderstanding throughout history.

To get back to your question of what part of it was Timothy to divide, the word "divide" is not in the original manuscript. The last part of 2 Timothy 2, verse 15 reads like this: "...a laborer who is not ashamed, one who correctly announces the Word of Truth."

 

[just-me]

The false precedence that causes "obliviousness" to the truth (according to the OP), is that teachings have caused us to focus on God's law instead of looking at ourselves in relation to God's words. Ephesians 2:15 is a perfect example of this. How many want to say that the law and commandments contained in ordinance have been abolished rather than the binding obligation in a legal sense, the judicial sentence or judgment, in a written record or register, that causes enmity between God and ourselves? If we focus on ourselves in light of God's word, we will see clearly what living a new life in Christ is supposed to be. Being born anew in Christ doesn't change or make void God's words. It changes us.

In addition I'll present this for further understanding to the principle of God's Name.

“But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children; To such as keep his covenant, (a league or alliance) and to those that remember his commandments (rule of behavior) to do them.(Psalm 103:18) “The works of his hands are verity (a true principle of fundamental importance and judgment) all his commandments (mandated appointments [plural]) are sure.” (Psalm 111:7)

So as believers in Christ, we have an alliance with God through Christ Jesus, to conduct ourselves according to His rule of behavior, which is a true principle of fundamental importance because what He desires for us is sure according to His enlightenment given to us.

The New Testament translates this in an arbitrary way, calling it the "law" when it speaks of both positive and negative attributes. The "law," (Torah) as it is written in the Old Testament, has at least 5 different categories, (Hebrew definitions) unlike the one category translated in the Greek Septuagint as "law."

 

[atwhatcost]

I suggest you study Hebrews more carefully and take a chill pill.

Funny since Hebrews keeps pointing back to The Old Covenant.

Chill pill? Really? I guess your opinion is more important than anything. Gotcha. I'll now assume you know it all. Better? (Still think the Old Covenant is inadequate, but hey. I'm to chill, not you.)

 

[atwhatcost]

both the old and new testaments are equally God's word...however it is very important to understand that we are not under two covenants...

True, just like the last treaty with any Native American tribe doesn't mean they're under the first one. Someone broke the first one, so a new one had to be made. Since the first was perfect, in this case, much of it is part of the last, but with a way to achieve it -- Jesus.

 

[atwhatcost]

Party as in participant in the contract, or convenat - not boom box with dancing kinda thing. However, I think I misapplied it.

What is PARTY? definition of PARTY (Black's Law Dictionary)
Focus too much on bring moral order by way or enforcement, you get the opposite - statist.

So, people who are "anarchists," you say here (which is a stretch, I think - effectively saying they follow or adhere to NO rule, which is not the argument) fall in the middle where the Holy Spirit helps the believer discern what to do in a situation. For example, in a situation, there is often more than one good choice, and both having cons as well. Sometimes the right thing is against the law, or against societial norms (but not spelled out in Scripture). The Bible is not a blueprint for what to do in every situation in everyday life. If that were the case, what do you need the Spirit for? All your guidance and knowledge is tucked in the Law.

The middle road is "this is my guide for life, but since I am not going to offer the blood of lambs but I will level it against homosexual lifestyle (for example) I rely on the Spirit to direct me and help me apply it to my life." An in my honest opinion, that will not be the exact same instruction for every person in the same situation (which would be absolutely application). Because every situation while the same in principle perhaps, has different circumstances and people surrounding it, to which the solution must be tailored, not simply read and then done.

Even Jesus in healing, didn't give every sickness (even the same alignment) the exact same remedy - if you consider the miracles having spiritual significance besides witnessing to Christ.

Blessings.

Oh, okay. Gotcha. The one creating the contract is God. In old contract, he was one of the parties, with Man as the other party. Man party (lol) broke it. So same God, same contract, but new way of getting it to work -- Jesus, aka God. So God was Party 1 and Party 2 in second contract. We're the property being bartered with. He's the outcome -- the purpose.

Does that work for you?

 

[atwhatcost]

Alistair begg is one of my favorite teachers, I put the name of his broadcast because I was not sure how to spell his name at the time Atwhatcost. Sorry he's not dead but just thought I'd share.
What was it 3or4post in a row, tell us how you really feel. Lol

Give a listen I think you'll like the message he thought yesterday.

Sis just for the record I like your posts, they are from a different flavor but such a basin were heart.
They make me laugh and think it's so refreshing.

I'm pretty sure Alistair Begg isn't sorry he's not dead. lol

I'll give a listen next time it's quiet around here.

 

[just-me]

Just a thought about Marcion. We have a large book store in London called Foyles it is well known here having opened in 1902.
Anyway I was browsing in their religious book section a few months ago and was amazed to come across Marcions Bible!! It included according to the contents page a number of Pauls familiar Letters plus his supposed letter to the Laodicians. It makes me wonder if a Marcionite church exists.

Marcion doctrine is a forerunner to the RCC through Constantine and the Nicene creed years later.

see this thread post 51 post 70

http://christianchat.com/conspiracy...olic-traditions-began-during-1st-century.html


Nazarene sect..condemns practices of Nazrenes

see
Patristic references to "Nazarenes"

 

[Ahwatukee]

Greetings shoshanah,

In regards to your post, if you are referring to Christian's putting themselves under the law of Moses, then those who would do such a thing have wandered away from grace and would be alienated from Christ. There is a great lack of understanding of the salvation that Christ has provided for us. Those boring rituals that you mention above, neither you nor anyone else are able to keep them. The teaching came to Paul via the Holy Spirit, visions and revelations directly from the Lord regarding the issue of grace vs. law and therefore, it is the Lord who has provided this information, which people continue to resist. Regarding circumcision and the law of Moses Paul said the following:

"For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law--I stopped trying to meet all its requirements--so that I might live for God."

Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law perfectly, something that we could and cannot do and by doing so he brought the law to its fulfillment. Now we are saved by trusting in the One who accomplished everything on our behalf and not only that, but the One who paid the penalty for our sins. It is by having faith in what Jesus did that we are saved and not by our own efforts. We cannot take credit for anything, for Jesus alone purchased men for God with his own blood. We are saved by faith apart from the works of the law. Furthermore, anyone who puts themselves under the law is required to keep the entire law and when they fail at even one part of the law, (and they will) they have broken the entire law. Attempting to earn our way into heaven will have the opposite affect, that is, it will keep us out of the kingdom of God.

Anyone who is teaching that the church is to live according to the law of Moses would not be starting a revival, but would be condemning those who adhere to it! Jesus came here to fulfill the law not to perpetuate it. This very claim was made by Pharisees claiming to be believers in Christ who were teaching circumcision and obedience to the law of Moses as necessary for salvation and the following is what transpired.

The Claim:
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts 15:6)

The Answer:
After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

When these Pharisees said, circumcision and the law of Moses, they were referring to the entire law, all six hundred plus of them. That Yoke that neither they nor their ancestors were able to bear that Peter speaks about in the verse above is in reference to the law of Moses. Regarding this issue, Paul said the following:

"Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to his seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.
What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

How was Abraham credited with righteousness, was it after he was circumcised? Was it because he obeyed the law? Was it by clothing and feeding the poor? No! It was because God promised he would give him a son and Abraham believed him. It was taking God at his word regarding that promise that Abraham was credited with righteousness and nothing else. He also told Abraham that he would be the father of many nations. Consequently, everyone who has the same faith as Abraham are his spiritual offspring.

"Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

The law was ammunition for the powers of darkness against mankind and Christ took away their ammo by fulfilling the law and making payment for sin by the shedding his blood. Now people are rearming the powers of darkness by putting themselves back under the law.

My advise to you is to sit down, take your time reading and comprehending the information contained in the letter to the Galatian's and apply that to yourself. My hope is that you will change your position to one who is saved by grace through faith and not as one by observing the works of the law of Moses.

Putting oneself under the law is an attempt to earn salvation instead of trusting in the One who provided it for us.

 

[Shoshanah]

Greetings shoshanah,

In regards to your post, if you are referring to Christian's putting themselves under the law of Moses, then those who would do such a thing have wandered away from grace and would be alienated from Christ.

I never have, nor do I foresee ever, recommending putting myself “under the law of Moses” but neither will I ever give in to disregarding any part of what God has said because “But He (Jesus) answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" I have asked for an explanation of how this can be ignored by anyone professing to follow Jesus – just pretend He didn’t say something, which was quoted from the law God gave through Moses in Deuteronomy 8:3 by the way, and told to us in both Matthew and Luke 4:4. But no one has explained it yet.

There is a great lack of understanding of the salvation that Christ has provided for us.

I could not agree more!

Those boring rituals that you mention above, neither you nor anyone else are able to keep them. The teaching came to Paul via the Holy Spirit, visions and revelations directly from the Lord regarding the issue of grace vs. law and therefore, it is the Lord who has provided this information, which people continue to resist. Regarding circumcision and the law of Moses Paul said the following:

"For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law--I stopped trying to meet all its requirements--so that I might live for God."

I hope you didn’t misunderstand and think I consider them boring rituals. They are a treasure – when one knows them. For instance just one quick example: when I found in the Word where we are instructed to let our garden rest every seventh year and tried it, we had a bumper crop of everything the next year!
Post #165 has a very good explanation of how this aspect is misunderstood.

Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law perfectly, something that we could and cannot do and by doing so he brought the law to its fulfillment [Key Word!]...

“Fulfill” does not equal “abolish” or “obsolete” or “nullify” or “delete.” That is where much deception is fed to well-meaning people – the correct translation of words/phrases from the original must be investigated so one does not err. I find it extremely beneficial to consult translations other than the old standby here in the South - the KJV or the very popular NIV that messes up all kinds of stuff. The New Testament was written in Peshitta Aramaic (if anyone wants to argue this again, have the courtesy start a new thread) and to see what it says in all New Testament questions is most beneficial. When the New Testament scrolls were translated into Greek, it was a form of Greek used in legal documents and such rather than a conversational Greek so there are carelessly translated words and words there was no exact match for so a generic term was used (like for the word "Law") and that has caused much misunderstanding throughout history.

Anyone who is teaching that the church is to live according to the law of Moses would not be starting a revival, but would be condemning those who adhere to it!

According to Matthew 5:17-19 which is the whole thought rather than a cherry-picked portion, you are mistaken. It says,
17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
And it is not all accomplished yet. There is much endtime prophecy in the Torah.

Jesus came here to fulfill the law not to perpetuate it. This very claim was made by Pharisees claiming to be believers in Christ who were teaching circumcision and obedience to the law of Moses as necessary for salvation and the following is what transpired.

The Claim:
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts 15:6)

The Answer:
After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

When these Pharisees said, circumcision and the law of Moses, they were referring to the entire law, all six hundred plus of them. That Yoke that neither they nor their ancestors were able to bear that Peter speaks about in the verse above is in reference to the law of Moses.

Maybe you are not aware that the Pharisees added a whole bunch of extra regulations to what is commonly called the “law” and we are not to snatch a verse we like out of scripture and use it to support our pet beliefs/doctrines without other supporting scripture.
1 John 5:3 says, "For loving God means obeying his commands. Moreover, his commands are not burdensome." If you look at that and Acts 15, it should explain that the overly burdensome regulations were the "extras" added by the Pharisees, not God's simple Word.
First of all: John 7:22 says, "For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers", meaning Abraham. Physical circumcision was not instituted in Mosaic Law, but circumcision of the HEART is, which correlates perfectly with Colossians 2:11 which says, "and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;"
These added regulations are what Jesus was so adamant against, and Paul having been a Pharisee was well aware of those extra burdens added to the "law" and taught against those - not the law itself.
​So, when taken in context, we see that this was the distorted law of the Pharisees rather than the basic Law of God.

Regarding this issue, Paul said the following:
"Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life... Now people are rearming the powers of darkness by putting themselves back under the law.

This is rather redundant and I see no need to repeat myself again. You have been misled. Matthew 24.

My advise to you is to sit down, take your time reading and comprehending the information contained in the letter to the Galatian's and apply that to yourself. My hope is that you will change your position to one who is saved by grace through faith and not as one by observing the works of the law of Moses.

My advice to you is similar but as always, I do not recommend you or anyone else read only one favorite scripture that can be twisted to support their pet man-made doctrines because it is not matched up with and compared to all other scripture to be sure it is being correctly understood, as 2 Peter 1:20 reminds us. And since I wholeheartedly recommend not ignoring any scripture, I am not worried that I have cherry-picked the wrong ones and adhered to them.

Putting oneself under the law is an attempt to earn salvation instead of trusting in the One who provided it for us.

Again we see the false accusation that we who believe every word that has ever come from the mouth of God, are “putting ourselves back UNDER the law.” I apologize if I sound ‘snippy’ but as much as I try and ask God to help me with having more patience, it is not at a level I am pleased with in myself yet.

 

[just-us-2]

Again we see the false accusation that we who believe every word that has ever come from the mouth of God, are “putting ourselves back UNDER the law.” I apologize if I sound ‘snippy’ but as much as I try and ask God to help me with having more patience, it is not at a level I am pleased with in myself yet.

You are not the only one that has a problem with his/her patience - which we know from the Word is a virtue - it just doesn't happen to be one of mine ...yet. You were not rude though and I admire that.

 

[just-me]

It's impossible for true Christians to be "under the law" just because they follow it. Not following it is being under its condemnation. Following it by study and observation by faith is certainly not being condemned. Claiming another to be "under the law" is the same as judging according to the condemnation the accuser perceives about what the law represents to the unsaved. Who's saved, and who ain't if both claim faith in Christ? Makes one wonder doesn't it?

 

[just-us-2]

Greetings shoshanah,
In regards to your post, if you are referring to Christian's putting themselves under the law of Moses, then those who would do such a thing have wandered away from grace and would be alienated from Christ. There is a great lack of understanding of the salvation that Christ has provided for us...
My advise to you is to sit down, take your time reading and comprehending the information contained in the letter to the Galatian's and apply that to yourself. My hope is that you will change your position to one who is saved by grace through faith and not as one by observing the works of the law of Moses.

Putting oneself under the law is an attempt to earn salvation instead of trusting in the One who provided it for us.

Neither Shoshanah, nor anyone else I have seen on CC, has ever advocated going back “under the law”- and it becomes most annoying to be accused of it over and over, which I and several others have been in here.

There is nowhere in the entire Bible that says we can disregard the Old Testament – none of it. And to have the same scriptures shoved in our faces to “prove” to us that it is obsolete or outdated at best, and only for Israel and sinful for a New Testament Christian to revere, gets really old when no one can even answer the simple questions we pose (post #122) about 2 Timothy 2:15 4:4, and the three scriptures Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4 and Deuteronomy 8:3- "But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.' "

To say the law is a bunch of boring or pointless regulations is a blatant lie believed by the unlearned babes in Christ and those working for the adversary to deceive even the elect if possible ( Matthew 24:24 and Mark 13:22) and to make war against the saints and overcome them (Daniel 7:21 and Revelation 13:7)

 

[just-me]

Maybe you are not aware that the Pharisees added a whole bunch of extra regulations to what is commonly called the “law” and we are not to snatch a verse we like out of scripture and use it to support our pet beliefs/doctrines without other supporting scripture.
1 John 5:3 says, "For loving God means obeying his commands. Moreover, his commands are not burdensome." If you look at that and Acts 15, it should explain that the overly burdensome regulations were the "extras" added by the Pharisees, not God's simple Word.
First of all: John 7:22 says, "For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers", meaning Abraham. Physical circumcision was not instituted in Mosaic Law, but circumcision of the HEART is, which correlates perfectly with Colossians 2:11 which says, "and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;"
These added regulations are what Jesus was so adamant against, and Paul having been a Pharisee was well aware of those extra burdens added to the "law" and taught against those - not the law itself.
​So, when taken in context, we see that this was the distorted law of the Pharisees rather than the basic Law of God.

You make a good point, but I think there is more to the Acts 15 story. One has to realize that the burden of the ordinances that the disciples were not able to bear were also infractions listed according to the "letter of the law" minus the forgiveness in Christ, but then making it clear to the Gentiles that Jesus paid the penalty because no one else could ever bear that burden of carnal regulations. This doesn't mean that the ordinances of God are void however just because we cannot pay the penalty ourselves unlike the self-righteous pretend to think. It all has to do with the physical rituals (circumcision in this case) not being understood in the spiritual "*realm" because of a carnal mindset. For "Real," I might add. m?? LOL "*real....m"

Does this scripture indicate the situation that your OP is presenting?

"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:6-7)

Then we see in Ephesians 2:14-16 that this enmity is abolished even though some may claim it's the Torah ordinances that are abolished.
"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

This doesn't say that God's ordinances have been abolished. Acts 15 and Ephesians 2 are good examples of true salvation, relating to the Old and New man rather than the Old and New Testaments/Covenants.