Did God "experience" death on the cross?

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"John came in the spirit and power of Elijah" yet when asked if he was Elijah, he said no.
 
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Magenta said:
His body was a veil of flesh. You may reject the way that is worded, but it is what Scripture says. I understand the whole message, pertaining to the curtain being torn at the time His physical body was torn from His spirit through death on the cross. His death made possible our reconciliation to God.
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Just like He is the Lamb of God, but is not an actual physical lamb.
 
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Kaycie said:
"John came in the spirit and power of Elijah" yet when asked if he was Elijah, he said no.
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John said no, Jesus said yes. Who knows better?
 
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Kaycie said:
Just like He is the Lamb of God, but is not an actual physical lamb.
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He is the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world. Don't be silly.
 
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Kaycie said:
verse please?
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Matthew 11:14, Jesus says,
"And if you are willing to accept it, he (John the Baptist) is the Elijah who was to come."
 
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seed_time_harvest

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This means that just as in the Old Testament, behind the veil where only the high priest could enter God's dwelling, He our new high priest tore that separating curtain away so that those in the holy place may now enter the most holy place- which is heaven- Gods dwelling place.
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Somone might ask,how do we,here on earth enter the holy place which Is In heaven?
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1 Corinthians 3:14-16
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14.)If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15.)If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

16.)Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Somone may get revelation of a scripture that Is not related to this thread If they can understand the difference between spirit,soul and body.:)
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You mean like where the apostle Paul prayed for the Thessalonian Christians? That "the God of peace Himself might sanctify them entirely; and their spirit (pneuma) and soul (psuche) and body (soma) might be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thess. 5:23). Psuche is the Greek word from which we get the English words "psyche," "psychology" etc.
 
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You mean like where the apostle Paul prayed for the Thessalonian Christians? That "the God of peace Himself might sanctify them entirely; and their spirit (pneuma) and soul (psuche) and body (soma) might be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thess. 5:23). Psuche is the Greek word from which we get the English words "psyche," "psychology" etc.
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Psyche is inseparable from body while a person is alive. You seem to disagree with this. Why?
 
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Psyche is inseparable from body while a person is alive. You seem to disagree with this. Why?
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It's not a matter of separation, but of distinction.
 
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It's not a matter of separation, but of distinction.
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Scripture attests to the fact that man became a living soul when God breathed His animating breath into the physical elements comprising his body, yet you disagree with soul being an aspect of the body, even as you affirm it in other posts. Therefore, your goal seems to simply be disagreeable regardless of what is actually under discussion. Your ax grinding demands it of you.
 
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There is a distinction between the spirit and the soul...they are entwined..but different..kinda like flesh and body..

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may yourspirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Luke 1:46-47 (NASB)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord,
[SUP]47 [/SUP] And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

I'm not sure how this fits in with Jesus experiencing death on the cross but it has great implications in the new creation in Christ. The new man of the heart created in righteousness and holiness.

Just wanted to point out that that we are a spirit ( made in the likeness of God ) ..we have a soul and we live in a body.

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Spirit is attitude/personality, you can change your attitude, but you can't change your soul. Your soul is who you are.
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I thought the Spirit Is life.
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John 6:63
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63.)It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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Magenta said:
Scripture attests to the fact that man became a living soul when God breathed His animating breath into the physical elements comprising his body, yet you disagree with soul being an aspect of the body, even as you affirm it in other posts. Therefore, your goal seems to simply be disagreeable regardless of what is actually under discussion. Your ax grinding demands it of you.
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I have not "affirmed" such anywhere. It seems you are the one whose goal is merely to be disagreeable.

Another distinction that must be maintained, and one which is a much greater problem for most than yours, is the distinction between the soul and the spirit.
 
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To say that God experienced death is to say he died . How can you experience death without dying? Dont allow people to come in and mince words. It is the work of the enemy and it is heresy!


Those who are saved and reborn in Christ believe that Jesus Christ was God incarnate. We also believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross. If we say that God died on the cross, and if by that we mean that the divine nature perished, we have stepped over the edge into serious heresy. In fact, two such heresies related to this problem arose in the early centuries of the church: theopassianism and patripassianism. The first of these, theopassianism, teaches that God Himself suffered death on the cross. Patripassianism indicates that the Father suffered vicariously through the suffering of His Son. Both of these heresies were roundly rejected by the church for the very reason that they categorically deny the very character and nature of God, including His immutability. There is no change in the substantive nature or character of God at any time.

God not only created the universe, He sustains it by the very power of His being. As Paul said, “In Him we live and move and have our being” (Acts 17:28). If the being of God ceased for one second, the universe would disappear. It would pass out of existence, because nothing can exist apart from the sustaining power of God. If God dies, everything dies with Him. Obviously, then, God could not have perished on the cross.


Some say, “It was the second person of the Trinity Who died.” That would be a mutation within the very being of God, because when we look at the Trinity we say that the three are one in essence, and that though there are personal distinctions among the persons of the Godhead, those distinctions are not essential in the sense that they are differences in being. Death is something that would involve a change in one’s being.


We should shrink in horror from the idea that God actually died on the cross. The atonement was made by the human nature of Christ. Somehow people tend to think that this lessens the dignity or the value of the substitutionary act, as if we were somehow implicitly denying the deity of Christ. God forbid. It’s the God-man Who dies, but death is something that is experienced only by the human nature, because the divine nature isn’t capable of experiencing death.

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Yes His Spirit couldn't die. I read somewhere that His fleshly part died, like with grain that dies, only the outside. The human part of Him that didn't want to die and was tempted by the devil died I think. He was made perfect through suffering. He took our sins in his Body, not in his Soul or Spirit.
 
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Yes His Spirit couldn't die. I read somewhere that His fleshly part died, like with grain that dies, only the outside. The human part of Him that didn't want to die died. He was made perfect through suffering. He took our sins in his Body, not in his Soul or Spirit.
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"The unassumed is the unredeemed."
 
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You're talking about theopassianism, which teaches that God Himself suffered death on the cross.

God not only created the universe, He sustains it by the very power of His being. As Paul said, “In Him we live and move and have our being” (Acts 17:28). If the being of God ceased for one second, the universe would disappear. It would pass out of existence, because nothing can exist apart from the sustaining power of God. If God dies, everything dies with Him. Obviously, then, God could not have perished on the cross.

P.S Love your avatar. :D
 
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