Did God "experience" death on the cross?

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Jesus Christ and the Father are One. As is written the child born unto us would be called, wonderful, counselor, prince of peace, the everlasting Father, God Almighty.

When Jesus Christ came to us from God, He came to be just as we are so when He defeated the curse of the law, death, He would be justified and authorized to free all who are slaves to sin from sin. He was here as a man, thinking it nothing to be even with God.

He was glorified after He was raised by the Father from the dead, the firstborn of the dead, the firstborn of the resurrection, the Salvation of God (Yahweh.)

He died as a man; we all know God cannot die.........God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, for the Wonderful, and the Counselor dwells in you, and yo too will be raise if you sleep, unless His return is before you sleep. Praise our Salvation.......amen.
He was here as God as well, only that while here He set aside His perogratives and priveeges, doing only the Father's will...all the while remaining God.
 
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I see your point, and well done.. but, with respect, it is helpful to know, as I learned just last year, that Paul speaking to the Greeks, was quoting from one of their writings about Zeus, thus the statement cannot be attributed solely to Paul, nor can it be ascribed to the Biblical God.

In the poem, Minos addresses Zeus-

"They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle
bellies!
But thou art not dead: thou livest and abidest forever, For in thee we live and move and have our being."

At some point Paul ceased to evangelize by using knowledge of Greek philosophy and endeavored instead to speak the plainness of the gospel. So that ones faith is not resting in the wisdom of men but in the knowledge of God.
nor can it be ascribed to the Biblical God.
What does it matter that Paul is playing on their words, he says in (v.23) that he will declare the true God to them. He had to have a common ground and the general revelation that every man possesses.
 

notuptome

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And this was my point when I said that God experienced death. He felt the body die, just as He felt the flogging, the hunger, the thirst, the pain, the aches, the etc. He felt the body falter as He heaved Himself in pain to draw breath. God knows what it is to suffer and die. In this sense, God died on the Cross in that He experienced the death of His body. Just as someday I will die, in that I will experience the death of my body.
Jesus felt and experienced the full burden and weight of our sin. What an enigma the holy Christ receiving the awful sin of mankind. Having known the infinite glory that is God's alone Jesus now knows the total sin of mankind.

If Jesus had not willed His Spirit to leave His body He would still be there to this day.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

prove-all

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. Then in three days Jesus returned to His body and resurrected Himself from the dead.
Note: He did not die from the cross as a result, He stated His business was finished and then He purposely left His body.
do you have any bible verses for this bad thinking in the rest of your post?

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

But God raised him from the dead:

But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead;
whereof we are witnesses.

Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you,
in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory;
that your faith and hope might be in God.

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,
whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.




why has not anyone even pointed this out yet?
 

prove-all

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And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Notice that it was the man—not just the body—that was formed.
the whole man—“thou”—that was composed of dust? Genesis 3:19.

for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

7And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


God blew air—“the breath of life” containing oxygen—into the man’s lungs through
his nostrils, and the man began to live! The verse does not say God breathed
an immortal soul into the man. just like a baby taking that first breath at birth.

-the breath of life that is cut off when a human being or an animal drowns.

21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast,
and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

22All in whose nostrils was [the breath of life], of all that was in the dry land, died.

-the same “breath of life” also pass through the nostrils of animals.
It is also the breath of life that is cut off when a human being [or] an animal drowns.

Genesis 2:7, and man became a living soul.
-Man does not have a soul—man IS a “soul”!



The original Hebrew word for “soul” is nephesh. Bagster’s Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon defines it as “breath,” and “anything that breathes, an animal.” It can also refer to a “person,” or even “one dead, a dead body.” In Genesis 1:21, 24; 2:19; 9:10, 12, 15-16 and Leviticus 11:46, the same word nephesh is translated “creature” when referring to animals.