Did God plan for man to fall to prove something to Satan and his angels?
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No! God knew men will fail and be redeemed..it's part of creating a Kingdom for His creations..see Luke 14:28-30 as an example.
If your puny god has to look into the future to see what man is going to do before he makes any resolutions, he learns wisdom and knowledge from men Isa 40:14
With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?
With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?
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Thats actually a true statement of which you have no clue, because Adam was Created to spend eternity with God forever in and through the Redemptive Work of Christ, so Adam will join the heavenly choir of Rev 7:9-12
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
See you think God devised this Honor for Himself after He learned what adam was going to do. As He didnt have Wisdom in Himself for this b4 Adam was ever created.
Thats actually a true statement of which you have no clue, because Adam was Created to spend eternity with God forever in and through the Redemptive Work of Christ, so Adam will join the heavenly choir of Rev 7:9-12
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
See you think God devised this Honor for Himself after He learned what adam was going to do. As He didnt have Wisdom in Himself for this b4 Adam was ever created.
God made provision for mankind ... knowing Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
God does not have to "prove" anything to satan and his angels.
satan knows Who God is ... and satan knows he cannot conquer God ... what satan can do (and does do very effectively) is seek to devour that which God has created.
God's "plan" overcomes satan ... greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world (1 John 4:4) ... and it is sad to see mankind reject God because some believe the lies of satan.
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God does not have to "prove" anything to satan and his angels.
satan knows Who God is ... and satan knows he cannot conquer God ... what satan can do (and does do very effectively) is seek to devour that which God has created.
God's "plan" overcomes satan ... greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world (1 John 4:4) ... and it is sad to see mankind reject God because some believe the lies of satan.
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God has no past or future. He is and He exists outside of time because He is eternal.
Creation has a beginning so it is not eternal: the earth, the heavens, and everything in them are not eternal. They had a start point in time "In the beginning...".
God did not create Adam to sin. God created Him knowing he would sin. But Adam's redemption was already established from the foundation of the world with the Lamb Who was slain.
When you consider someone's character, intent matters. Even our limited law understands that.
To say Adam was designed to sin disparages God's character and is not accurate. I mean, not that God is concerned about being disparaged but, rather, for those who disparage Him, if they love the truth they will want to abandon such mindsets.
Creation has a beginning so it is not eternal: the earth, the heavens, and everything in them are not eternal. They had a start point in time "In the beginning...".
God did not create Adam to sin. God created Him knowing he would sin. But Adam's redemption was already established from the foundation of the world with the Lamb Who was slain.
When you consider someone's character, intent matters. Even our limited law understands that.
To say Adam was designed to sin disparages God's character and is not accurate. I mean, not that God is concerned about being disparaged but, rather, for those who disparage Him, if they love the truth they will want to abandon such mindsets.
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