Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

[mailmandan]

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"

*“Law” is word # G3551 – nomos, Strong's Concordance, nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law, Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: nomos, Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os), Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law, Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of, law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law;, metion: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general

Justification by faith does not nullify the law, but establishes it. Which means the law itself points to the fact that human obedience to the law cannot save and that righteousness comes only through faith in Christ. When Paul says, "we uphold the law," he is not saying we are under the law, in contradiction to (Romans 6:14-15; Galatians 5:18) but affirms the abiding moral precepts of the law and anticipated the charge of antinomianism, which he responds to in chapters 6 and 7 of Romans.

The word "fulfill" is used in Matthew 5:18 is also used in these verses: Note: "fulfilled" the last word in verse 18 is identical to fulfilled in Matthew 24:34; Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"

You must not ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stress "obedience to righteousness" as if works of obedience that "follow saving faith in Christ" are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works.

There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL- sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

In this context refers to fundamental principle. The law of sin is also a statement of a fundamental principle of human experience. Romans 7:5 - For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

"Seventh-day Adventism and the Hebrew roots movement in general seem to play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.

Though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of grace and law that is a perversion of the Gospel.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1st this did not answer my questions.

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"


*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1. The law can not tell you ever sin, All it can get you to do AT MOST is look at some physical sins.

2. Again, Your use a strawman (using continuing in sin to support your case) when no one here is suggesting this.

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”

Again, What is the law of sin? Again, Why do you not answer.

 

[Hizikyah]

Is it sin to steal or to obey do not steal?

1st this did not answer my questions.


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1. The law can not tell you ever sin, All it can get you to do AT MOST is look at some physical sins.

2. Again, Your use a strawman (using continuing in sin to support your case) when no one here is suggesting this.




Again, What is the law of sin? Again, Why do you not answer.

We have gone throught this voer and voer and over.

The Law of sin is transgreession of the Law, it is sin, it is the ways of the world, it is what satan tricks poeple into doing...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:15-23, “What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. What fruit, therefore, were you having then, over which you are now ashamed? For the end thereof is death. But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of Elohim is everlasting life in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]our Master.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7 -[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."[/FONT]

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[Hizikyah]

it is insane to me that many new age believers seem to think the worst thing one can do is obey the Creator's righteous standard.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

Is Jesus a justifued by works pharisee lawyer for saying this? or is it that anyone who quotes any verse that says we are reponsible for our actions get s called those things?
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[eternally-gratefull]

Is it sin to steal or to obey do not steal?

What does this have to do with my question? Did I say it was not a sin to steal or it was ok to steal?

Can you answer my question or not. Just say so.

We have gone throught this voer and voer and over.

Actually no we have not. I keep asking the same questions, and you keep ignoring them, and coming up with the same arguiments which have NOTHING to do with my questions.

The Law of sin is transgreession of the Law, it is sin, it is the ways of the world, it is what satan tricks poeple into doing...

ok, this is the first time I have heard this, Can you tell me where you got this? Bible chapter and verse. (Since you seem to base things on posting a bunch of bible verses anyway

Romans 6:15-23, “What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to יהוה that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. What fruit, therefore, were you having then, over which you are now ashamed? For the end thereof is death. But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of יהוה, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of Elohim is everlasting life in Messiah יהושע our Master.”


Romans 7 -
7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.


1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?


Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”


Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

Again, You failed to answer my question. How can the law tell us EVERY SIN? it was not designed to do that.

WHAT IS SIN? Yes, we will agree, transgression of the law is sin. BUT SIN IS MUCH MORE THAN THIS. Why are you so against understanding this?

 

[Hizikyah]

I answered your question, it is in that post, also when I ask you you reply with "what does this have to do with my quesiton", so I am not allowed to ask a question also?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

it is insane to me that many new age believers seem to think the worst thing one can do is obey the Creator's righteous standard.

It is insane to me that so many people think they CAN OBEY THE LAW ACCORDING TO GODS STANDARD. And that just because they THINK they obey the law. They are righteous people.

When history shows otherwise. Not only history of the churhc, but the history of Israel.

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

Is Jesus a justifued by works pharisee lawyer for saying this? or is it that anyone who quotes any verse that says we are reponsible for our actions get s called those things?

You keep talking about performance. You keep talking about how only those who obey will be saved.

How can you say this and then come back and use context of the law. Yet claim your not saying we are saved by works.

You contradic yourself.

I have asked this numerous times, and even Paul said it.

Grace and Mercy is what gives us power over sin, Not the law.

Why did paul say this?

And why did paul say the law was not made for a righteous person. Are you righteous my friend? If not, why are you asking people to do what you yourself admit you can not do?

if you are righteous, what part of the law is not written for you do you not understand?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I answered your question, it is in that post, also when I ask you you reply with "what does this have to do with my quesiton", so I am not allowed to ask a question also?

1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."


1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

I asked you HOW faith establishes the law. Asking if steeling was a sin or not does not answer this.

I asked you how the law can make us righteous, When Gods demand is perfection (thats his standard) and how it could when it does not show what EVERY SIN WAS.. Saying steeling is still a sin does not answer that question’

I asked you what Paul said was the law of sin, what does saying steeling is a sin have to do with my question.

We agree, Sin is transgression of the law. We agree all unrighteousness is sin.

What is the defenition of an unrighteousness act? What is the defenition of sin.

Yes, Steeling is sin. I know that, But can I not steel and STILL commit sin?

Jesu answered the question for us, when he told us the law says this, BUT I TELL YOU!.

 

[MarcR]

Is it sin to steal or to obey do not steal?

What does this have to do with my question? Did I say it was not a sin to steal or it was ok to steal?

Can you answer my question or not. Just say so.





Actually no we have not. I keep asking the same questions, and you keep ignoring them, and coming up with the same arguiments which have NOTHING to do with my questions.



ok, this is the first time I have heard this, Can you tell me where you got this? Bible chapter and verse. (Since you seem to base things on posting a bunch of bible verses anyway




Again, You failed to answer my question. How can the law tell us EVERY SIN? it was not designed to do that.

WHAT IS SIN? Yes, we will agree, transgression of the law is sin. BUT SIN IS MUCH MORE THAN THIS. Why are you so against understanding this?

I think he understands the principle. His reluctance to accept it is that it destroys his entire Hebrew Roots mentality.
Hebrew Roots thinking is founded on a do-it-yourself approach to life; and Grace alone can't fit there. You are asking to reject one of the core principles of his faith; and regardless of understanding that is not easy to do.

 

[Hizikyah]

I asked you HOW faith establishes the law. Asking if steeling was a sin or not does not answer this.

I asked you how the law can make us righteous, When Gods demand is perfection (thats his standard) and how it could when it does not show what EVERY SIN WAS.. Saying steeling is still a sin does not answer that question’

I asked you what Paul said was the law of sin, what does saying steeling is a sin have to do with my question.

We agree, Sin is transgression of the law. We agree all unrighteousness is sin.

What is the defenition of an unrighteousness act? What is the defenition of sin.

Yes, Steeling is sin. I know that, But can I not steel and STILL commit sin?

Jesu answered the question for us, when he told us the law says this, BUT I TELL YOU!.

We have gone through this over and over, the Holy SPirit of YHWH changes the heart of men, I am living proof of this, I used tobe in oppisiotion to His Commands, now I seek to guard them.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think he understands the principle. His reluctance to accept it is that it destroys his entire Hebrew Roots mentality.
Hebrew Roots thinking is founded on a do-it-yourself approach to life; and Grace alone can't fit there. You are asking to reject one of the core principles of his faith; and regardless of understanding that is not easy to do.

I agree, It is hard for some people. The whole point of this thread is what gives us power to over come sin. What enables us to be obedient to God. God said those who are born of God do not sin, because they have the spirit. Why is this.

is it the law? Is it by religious rules? Or is it because of something else.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We have gone through this over and over, the Holy SPirit of YHWH changes the heart of men, I am living proof of this, I used tobe in oppisiotion to His Commands, now I seek to guard them.

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

How do you know this?

Your guide is the law. How do you determine that is your guide,?

You use two passages which speak to the future restoration of Isreal. What does that have to do with you and I being righteous people?

If your focusing 24/7 on not breaking the law. How can you serve others?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We have gone through this over and over, the Holy SPirit of YHWH changes the heart of men, I am living proof of this, I used tobe in oppisiotion to His Commands, now I seek to guard them.

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

by the way, I think the HS has changed my life, and my heart, And I would put my obedience to Gods rules up with yours and challenge that we ar probably (according to the law) just as righteous.

Yet I do not do it BY FOCUSING ON THE LAW. Or tspending my life trying to defend that believers need to follow it.

So how can I do it? What do you do think my focus is on?

 

[Hizikyah]

We have gone through this over and over, the Holy SPirit of YHWH changes the heart of men, I am living proof of this, I used tobe in oppisiotion to His Commands, now I seek to guard them.

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

How do you know this?

Your guide is the law. How do you determine that is your guide,?

You use two passages which speak to the future restoration of Isreal. What does that have to do with you and I being righteous people?

If your focusing 24/7 on not breaking the law. How can you serve others?

"I will put My Law into their hearts"

so this verse is not about the "new covenant" for Jew and Gentile in your view?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"I will put My Law into their hearts"

so this verse is not about the "new covenant" for Jew and Gentile in your view?

This verse is about when Isreal is restored. When God restores them, He will write his law in their heart.

However. Even in this, I do not think he is talk9ng about Mosaic law. I think he is talking about HIS LAW.

His law goes BEYOND the mosaic.

 

[Hizikyah]

"I will put My Law into their hearts"

so this verse is not about the "new covenant" for Jew and Gentile in your view?

This verse is about when Isreal is restored. When God restores them, He will write his law in their heart.

However. Even in this, I do not think he is talk9ng about Mosaic law. I think he is talking about HIS LAW.

His law goes BEYOND the mosaic.

Is that a yes or no to "so this verse is not about the "new covenant" for Jew and Gentile in your view?"

because thos in Messiah are Israyl:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."[/FONT]

 

[mailmandan]

it is insane to me that many new age believers seem to think the worst thing one can do is obey the Creator's righteous standard.

Straw man argument. Nobody is saying that.

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Romans 4:13 - For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

What we are arguing against is turning obeying the law (particular the 10 commandments, with a heavy emphasis on keeping the Sabbath day) into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant. We are not saved by works.

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

The moral precepts of 9 of the 10 commandments are repeated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

You must not read the Bible through the lens of works salvation by confusing DESCRIPTIVE passages of Scripture with PRESCRIPTIVE passages of Scripture.

The good deeds of the redeemed (those who have done good) are not the basis of their salvation but the evidence of it. A person's conduct, whether good or evil, reveals the condition of their heart.

Doing good flows inescapably from a heart that is saved and doing evil flows inescapably from a heart that is unsaved, as we see in Romans 2:6-10. Notice that ALL who come forth unto the resurrection of life (believers - vs. 24) are described as "those who have done good" and ALL that come forth unto the resurrection of damnation (unbelievers) are described as "those who have done evil."

What did Jesus say in John 3:18? - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already..

Are believers described as "those who have done good" or those who have done evil?"

Are unbelievers described as those "who have done evil" or "those who have done good?"

Is Jesus a justifued by works pharisee lawyer for saying this? or is it that anyone who quotes any verse that says we are reponsible for our actions get s called those things?

Not at all, but we must not misinterpret the words of Jesus to teach salvation by works. Now in regards to "justified by works" (James 2:21), in CONTEXT, James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is that a yes or no to "so this verse is not about the "new covenant" for Jew and Gentile in your view?"

because thos in Messiah are Israyl:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."


Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."


Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”


Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

I am done with this.

Isreal is a nation, Who in the OT would reject their messiah, And Gods things would be given to her enemy (gentile) during that time, gentiles will trample Jerusalem. But there will come a time when the age of the gentile is finished, That God will open the eyes of Israel. She will repent, and call out on the name of the Lord to be saved, at that time, he will write his law on their hearts.


Thats the context.

But that is not what I have been asking you. Do you want to disuse my questions or not> If not, just say so.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”[/FONT]